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My hydraulic cylinders for my d6 5R dozer blade are leaky. It's an Isaacson blade if anyone is familiar at all with them.

I imagine the cylinder seals are leaky and need replaced, which might be a bit of a chore for me. However at least one of my hydraulic hoses going to one of my cylinders has let the outdoor elements get the best of it and it is leaking excessively now.

So, I am trying to figure out where to find replacement hydraulic hose. I don't really know what hose rating I need. Basically I do not know what the specs are for the hose to really know what I need to get.

I think it is a 1" diameter hose. I need, probably, 3 feet of hose with female connectors on both ends to replace the hose that needs replaced. I think they are just standard NPT connections. I may want to replace a few other hoses and hydraulic connections that look like they are about done with their life, so if there is a regular supplier that anyone knows about that would be great.

Also, if anyone knows anything about re-sealing the hydraulic cylinders for an Isaacson blade setup, that would be appreciated too.
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Wed, Dec 4, 2019 12:09 PM
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Hoses, google the internet. Cylinders? tear it down take photos and get back to us. 3 wire braid hose is usually 3000 psi, 5 wire braid and most newer CAT is 10,000psi rated hose. 3,000 psi is what is on most Back hoes and enough for a hobby machine.
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Wed, Dec 4, 2019 1:34 PM
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Usually some numbers etc stamped in the old hose but if you can't see that, saw it in two and count layers of wire reinforcing. That will tell you a lot.

Are the hose ends crimped on or does it have reusable/field install clamps?

Most old hydraulics operated at less than 1500 psi and as such required large diameter cylinders compared to more modern designs.

Sometimes a cylinder that leaks around the rod simply needs the gland tightened. It was common to use a stack of "chevron" packing rings or even rope packing that was adjustable.

Pictures would help
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Wed, Dec 4, 2019 8:20 PM
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Reply to ccjersey:
Usually some numbers etc stamped in the old hose but if you can't see that, saw it in two and count layers of wire reinforcing. That will tell you a lot.

Are the hose ends crimped on or does it have reusable/field install clamps?

Most old hydraulics operated at less than 1500 psi and as such required large diameter cylinders compared to more modern designs.

Sometimes a cylinder that leaks around the rod simply needs the gland tightened. It was common to use a stack of "chevron" packing rings or even rope packing that was adjustable.

Pictures would help
While we are on this subject, Is there a supplier of the old style hose that uses the original clamp-on hose endings? My D4 6U has some pretty tired looking hoses and I think that I had read that the hose is a bit different I.D. than modern hose. I would like to change them all out this winter. Thanks, Grant.
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Wed, Dec 4, 2019 9:54 PM
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While we are on this subject, Is there a supplier of the old style hose that uses the original clamp-on hose endings? My D4 6U has some pretty tired looking hoses and I think that I had read that the hose is a bit different I.D. than modern hose. I would like to change them all out this winter. Thanks, Grant.
Grant J how dare you :der::confused2::doh:😉 are society runs on use it and pitch it.


Since places like Surplus Center have a lot of reusable clamp on fittings listed. I would think all hydraulic supply houses have access but they always sell the crimp on ones first.


But if you have the ends just buy hose and do it yourself.


Several tips for working with hose,a small angle head grinder is very helpful. The thin cut off wheel to cut hose and cutting the wire to make it easy to get old hose off the fitting. Then use a wire wheel to shine the old fittings barb end to make putting new hose on easier. Heating hose sometimes helps slip it on, with a little lube. Once fitting is started I have resorted to a block of wood and a hammer get the fitting fully seated in hose. Not high tech work, more muscle than brain. But not that much muscle,because I did one not long ago and my muscle seems to have retired.😆
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Wed, Dec 4, 2019 11:49 PM
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Reply to Ray54:
Grant J how dare you :der::confused2::doh:😉 are society runs on use it and pitch it.


Since places like Surplus Center have a lot of reusable clamp on fittings listed. I would think all hydraulic supply houses have access but they always sell the crimp on ones first.


But if you have the ends just buy hose and do it yourself.


Several tips for working with hose,a small angle head grinder is very helpful. The thin cut off wheel to cut hose and cutting the wire to make it easy to get old hose off the fitting. Then use a wire wheel to shine the old fittings barb end to make putting new hose on easier. Heating hose sometimes helps slip it on, with a little lube. Once fitting is started I have resorted to a block of wood and a hammer get the fitting fully seated in hose. Not high tech work, more muscle than brain. But not that much muscle,because I did one not long ago and my muscle seems to have retired.😆
[quote="Ray54"]Grant J how dare you :der::confused2::doh:😉 are society runs on use it and pitch it.


Since places like Surplus Center have a lot of reusable clamp on fittings listed. I would think all hydraulic supply houses have access but they always sell the crimp on ones first.


But if you have the ends just buy hose and do it yourself.


Several tips for working with hose,a small angle head grinder is very helpful. The thin cut off wheel to cut hose and cutting the wire to make it easy to get old hose off the fitting. Then use a wire wheel to shine the old fittings barb end to make putting new hose on easier. Heating hose sometimes helps slip it on, with a little lube. Once fitting is started I have resorted to a block of wood and a hammer get the fitting fully seated in hose. Not high tech work, more muscle than brain. But not that much muscle,because I did one not long ago and my muscle seems to have retired.😆[/quote]

Yessir! I use a 3” cut off air tool to slit the end of the old hose, same procedure otherwise. Patience helps too. Generally the replacement hose O.D. is smaller, so one has less clamping capability. Hose shops here refuse to “repair” these style fittings for fear of liability. As most of these old tractors are low pressure systems, it isn’t an issue. I’ve seen some take thin rubber strips and wrap around the new hose for extra clamping surface.
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Thu, Dec 5, 2019 1:00 AM
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Usually some numbers etc stamped in the old hose but if you can't see that, saw it in two and count layers of wire reinforcing. That will tell you a lot.

Are the hose ends crimped on or does it have reusable/field install clamps?

Most old hydraulics operated at less than 1500 psi and as such required large diameter cylinders compared to more modern designs.

Sometimes a cylinder that leaks around the rod simply needs the gland tightened. It was common to use a stack of "chevron" packing rings or even rope packing that was adjustable.

Pictures would help
[quote="ccjersey"]Usually some numbers etc stamped in the old hose but if you can't see that, saw it in two and count layers of wire reinforcing. That will tell you a lot.

Are the hose ends crimped on or does it have reusable/field install clamps?

Most old hydraulics operated at less than 1500 psi and as such required large diameter cylinders compared to more modern designs.

Sometimes a cylinder that leaks around the rod simply needs the gland tightened. It was common to use a stack of "chevron" packing rings or even rope packing that was adjustable.

Pictures would help[/quote]

This is the best I can do for my hydraulic cylinders for now. I can probably get a few more angles on the cylinders, the photo I grabbed from a video I took of my tractor and I happened to get some decent views of the cylinders.

[attachment=56230]HydraulicCylS.jpg[/attachment]

I think I may have found a place online to get hoses. If the PSI is only around 1500, most hoses I see are at least double that. I don't really want to go slicing up my hoses unless I have something to replace them with. And yes, I believe these are crimped.
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Thu, Dec 5, 2019 2:27 AM
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[quote="ccjersey"]Usually some numbers etc stamped in the old hose but if you can't see that, saw it in two and count layers of wire reinforcing. That will tell you a lot.

Are the hose ends crimped on or does it have reusable/field install clamps?

Most old hydraulics operated at less than 1500 psi and as such required large diameter cylinders compared to more modern designs.

Sometimes a cylinder that leaks around the rod simply needs the gland tightened. It was common to use a stack of "chevron" packing rings or even rope packing that was adjustable.

Pictures would help[/quote]

This is the best I can do for my hydraulic cylinders for now. I can probably get a few more angles on the cylinders, the photo I grabbed from a video I took of my tractor and I happened to get some decent views of the cylinders.

[attachment=56230]HydraulicCylS.jpg[/attachment]

I think I may have found a place online to get hoses. If the PSI is only around 1500, most hoses I see are at least double that. I don't really want to go slicing up my hoses unless I have something to replace them with. And yes, I believe these are crimped.
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The one that is shown well in the picture is whats known as AEROQUIP hose. Those ends are reusable with knowledge of how to do them. The new stuff will be a bright blue to go with the cat yellow. If you clean the flats well there will be a number on it. That is the size in 1/16ths if I remember correctly. Give a supplier that number and they will get you the right size hose. I would just put regular hydraulic crimp style hoses on it if it was mine though.
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Thu, Dec 5, 2019 5:50 AM
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The one that is shown well in the picture is whats known as AEROQUIP hose. Those ends are reusable with knowledge of how to do them. The new stuff will be a bright blue to go with the cat yellow. If you clean the flats well there will be a number on it. That is the size in 1/16ths if I remember correctly. Give a supplier that number and they will get you the right size hose. I would just put regular hydraulic crimp style hoses on it if it was mine though.


Okay, I went up to my tractor and looked for numbers. On the connectors they have the number R2-12. On top of one of the female connectors where you tighten it onto the male connector it has the letters JIC imprinted on one of the sides. One of the other connectors appears to have the number R2T-12. The size of the female connectors appears to fit a wrench I have that according to my tape measure is probably 1-1/4 inch. None of the actual hoses, the rubber, appears to have any identifying numbers on them whatsoever.

I will post pictures later of the numbers if necessary.
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Thu, Dec 5, 2019 7:23 AM
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Okay, I went up to my tractor and looked for numbers. On the connectors they have the number R2-12. On top of one of the female connectors where you tighten it onto the male connector it has the letters JIC imprinted on one of the sides. One of the other connectors appears to have the number R2T-12. The size of the female connectors appears to fit a wrench I have that according to my tape measure is probably 1-1/4 inch. None of the actual hoses, the rubber, appears to have any identifying numbers on them whatsoever.

I will post pictures later of the numbers if necessary.
That would be #12 aeroquip hose. You can look it up online if you want. Eaton Aeroquip hydraulic hose.
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Thu, Dec 5, 2019 7:53 AM
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Probably a SAE 100R2-12 (3/4") hose.

The -12 is the 3/4" (12/16) and the SAE 100R2 is the performance-construction-size spec the hose has to meet. A SAE100R16 hose is similar pressure rated, but much more flexible if you need to route it through any tight radius turns. Working pressure rated to about 2250 psi in the 3/4" size. Probably plenty for those big cylinders.

JIC female ends have the female swivel nut and 37 degree female flare connection. About the cheapest ends you can find. I replaced all 8 hoses on my 922b wheel loader last year. Decided to use the R16 hose since they all flex quite a bit as the loader bucket moves through its complete range of curl and lift. It had some very old R2 hose on it so the R16 was probably overkill!
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