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Catmandu
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I need some advice on repairing my tractor fender bracket (MF165).

I got a little too close to a tree yesterday and pulled the fender off the tractor, on closer examination I found that the bracket that holds the fender on was what I broke off. The bracket appears to be cast pot metal, its porous but a magnet sticks to it?? If it is potmetal I'm not sure what type. How do I determine the type and is it possible to repair and be used again, second, how does someone go about the repair.

Thanks in advance for your advice

CMD
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Sun, May 20, 2012 10:47 PM
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Iffin it was my tractor, I would sort through the scrap pile beneath my work bench, and drag out enough real metal, and fab up a new one.
If you really want to repair the old one, go to Shop Floor Talk website, and ask there. Those guys are a wealth of information.
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Mon, May 21, 2012 3:28 AM
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Reply to Soapy:
Iffin it was my tractor, I would sort through the scrap pile beneath my work bench, and drag out enough real metal, and fab up a new one.
If you really want to repair the old one, go to Shop Floor Talk website, and ask there. Those guys are a wealth of information.
Being a common Massey model you will probably find a new one only costs $16.87, plus tax from your local Dealer, some of those MF aftermarket parts are cheap, look on Fleabay.
Good luck
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Mon, May 21, 2012 7:22 AM
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Reply to Soapy:
Iffin it was my tractor, I would sort through the scrap pile beneath my work bench, and drag out enough real metal, and fab up a new one.
If you really want to repair the old one, go to Shop Floor Talk website, and ask there. Those guys are a wealth of information.
Use of the pejorative term "pot metal" really only means that you don't know what it is. If it is porous then it is cast. If a magnet sticks to it then it must have a fair amount of iron, you could try chipping it with a cold chisel and observing the results. Cast iron is more brittle and makes a short chip (unless it is ductile iron!)and could be 1) welded with nickel rod, 2) brazed with bronze, 3) fusion welded with cast iron rod. Cast steel usually makes a longer chip and could be welded by all the usual for ways steel, but you may need to use a pre and post heat treatment if it has a lot of carbon. Or like the man said, fab a new one if you like. My vote is for the brazing, its fast, easy and strong enough unless you have a lot of trees around
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Mon, May 21, 2012 7:34 AM
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Use of the pejorative term "pot metal" really only means that you don't know what it is. If it is porous then it is cast. If a magnet sticks to it then it must have a fair amount of iron, you could try chipping it with a cold chisel and observing the results. Cast iron is more brittle and makes a short chip (unless it is ductile iron!)and could be 1) welded with nickel rod, 2) brazed with bronze, 3) fusion welded with cast iron rod. Cast steel usually makes a longer chip and could be welded by all the usual for ways steel, but you may need to use a pre and post heat treatment if it has a lot of carbon. Or like the man said, fab a new one if you like. My vote is for the brazing, its fast, easy and strong enough unless you have a lot of trees around
potmetal melts at about 350 degrees most always welded with torch oxy act or propane and yes it sometimes contains iron not done often because melting point of iron is about 2200 degrees.
I think your bracket is cast iron that is what the 165 i have seen were cast iron just take your torch and heat it to about 400 degrees if it melts its pot metal which is mostly tin and and scrap metal mixed including alum. potmetal not usually magnetic but can be. You have to be careful when welding potmetal like car door handles and such if it gets too hot it will run off just like solder. jw45
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Tue, May 22, 2012 3:41 AM
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