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We have a Brand X crawler that I am thinking about hauling in for scrap. I checked the diesel tank and I figured there had to be more than 100 gallons left in there.

The question is can I use this old diesel?

I'll have to look up when the last time it was used, but I think it could been as far back as Oct 2001, or as soon as Oct 2003.


At $200 a ton it looks like there could be a few $$ in there.
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Sat, Apr 12, 2008 7:23 AM
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If you put the old fuel into a separate storage tank and then treat it with a biocide and fuel conditioner it should be OK. Run it trough a filter as it goes into the machine fuel tank also.
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Sat, Apr 12, 2008 7:47 AM
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Reply to OldNuc:
If you put the old fuel into a separate storage tank and then treat it with a biocide and fuel conditioner it should be OK. Run it trough a filter as it goes into the machine fuel tank also.
X2 We Use A Product Called Biobor And Seems To Do The Job Just Fine.
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Sat, Apr 12, 2008 8:32 AM
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X2 We Use A Product Called Biobor And Seems To Do The Job Just Fine.
Used about 60 gal of 9 year old #2 in my D47U and did not notice any difference. Used Power Service BioKleen (sp) and the PS fuel supplement but had to drain off about a quart of water that had accumulated.
That is not the whole story as I diluted it half and half in the tractor. Absolutely no problems.

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Sat, Apr 12, 2008 10:41 AM
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Used about 60 gal of 9 year old #2 in my D47U and did not notice any difference. Used Power Service BioKleen (sp) and the PS fuel supplement but had to drain off about a quart of water that had accumulated.
That is not the whole story as I diluted it half and half in the tractor. Absolutely no problems.
I planned on dropping the electric transfer pump from a trap wagon into the tractor's tank, and pumping the fuel into a trap wagon. The transfer pump has a spin on filter, then when I pump the diesel into the tractor it would be filtered again.

I guess I will have to try and find some fuel conditioner, however I have never seen or heard of biocide for diesel fuel out here. Is this available at napa?
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Sat, Apr 12, 2008 10:55 AM
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I planned on dropping the electric transfer pump from a trap wagon into the tractor's tank, and pumping the fuel into a trap wagon. The transfer pump has a spin on filter, then when I pump the diesel into the tractor it would be filtered again.

I guess I will have to try and find some fuel conditioner, however I have never seen or heard of biocide for diesel fuel out here. Is this available at napa?
One weird thing I noticed when I opened the fuel cap was there was a slight air pressure forcing the cap off as I unscrewed it , followed by seemed like a large volume of air. Aside from the venting issue that I never recalled the tractor having problems with fuel delivery. It seemed odd that it would build up pressure after sitting for a length of time.
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Sat, Apr 12, 2008 11:21 AM
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Diesel biocide is normally available in most parts of the colder climate zones. I would imagine most truck stops would carry it. It's routinely added to bulk tanks (diesel) here in Ohio and KY to reduce the algea buildup in wintertime diesel storage tanlks.

I beleive a small ammount would treat the quantity of fuel you stated was left remaining in the donor tank.

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Sat, Apr 12, 2008 5:33 PM
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Diesel biocide is normally available in most parts of the colder climate zones. I would imagine most truck stops would carry it. It's routinely added to bulk tanks (diesel) here in Ohio and KY to reduce the algea buildup in wintertime diesel storage tanlks.

I beleive a small ammount would treat the quantity of fuel you stated was left remaining in the donor tank.

Good Luck

Alan
I believe that the only thing that could have built up pressure in the tank is the temperature change in the atmosphere.
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Sat, Apr 12, 2008 6:41 PM
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I believe that the only thing that could have built up pressure in the tank is the temperature change in the atmosphere.
At over $4.10 a gallon , I WOULD mix with fresh fuel and use- or at least use for heating oil.
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Sat, Apr 12, 2008 9:48 PM
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At over $4.10 a gallon , I WOULD mix with fresh fuel and use- or at least use for heating oil.
I have access to a "CFR" (combined fuels research) engine and a Herzog Distillation apparatus. 2 years ago I came across 200 gallons in various tanks of old (red) diesel/heating fuel. I filtered all the fuel twice, then mixed it together. I had it tested and it tested out with a low Cetane as the volitiles were long gone. I added various PowerClean additives at the higher rate listed on the containers, then mixed in a higher than listed on the bottle amount of Marvel Mystery oil to increase lubricity. I had it tested again and it come out close enough to be used as Summer Diesel. To play it safe I mixed it 50/50 with off/road Diesel and had it tested again. The fuel mixture tested out fine within SAE standards. The Herzog Distillation test showed a higher than normal amount of residue in the Base Stock test but with good filters on the engine it shouldn't be a problem. I ran this in a Mercedes diesel which started and ran fine.
FYI, at a price over $3.60 a gallon for Ag/OffRoad, if I could get more for this summer, I would not hestate to use it again if I could get it!
Same goes for old Gasoline to run in a low compression Farm tractor!
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Sun, Apr 13, 2008 8:20 PM
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Reply to drujinin:
I have access to a "CFR" (combined fuels research) engine and a Herzog Distillation apparatus. 2 years ago I came across 200 gallons in various tanks of old (red) diesel/heating fuel. I filtered all the fuel twice, then mixed it together. I had it tested and it tested out with a low Cetane as the volitiles were long gone. I added various PowerClean additives at the higher rate listed on the containers, then mixed in a higher than listed on the bottle amount of Marvel Mystery oil to increase lubricity. I had it tested again and it come out close enough to be used as Summer Diesel. To play it safe I mixed it 50/50 with off/road Diesel and had it tested again. The fuel mixture tested out fine within SAE standards. The Herzog Distillation test showed a higher than normal amount of residue in the Base Stock test but with good filters on the engine it shouldn't be a problem. I ran this in a Mercedes diesel which started and ran fine.
FYI, at a price over $3.60 a gallon for Ag/OffRoad, if I could get more for this summer, I would not hestate to use it again if I could get it!
Same goes for old Gasoline to run in a low compression Farm tractor!
When I bought my D6, it had sat outside, uncovered, by a creek for 6-8 years, with a full tank of fuel. That fuel burned just as well as any I've put in since.

If you're going to pump it and filter it, and maybe add some additive to it, that would be no problem. Add fresh fuel to it, and it would be good as new. If the tank was tight enough that it had built pressure (presumably from the atmosphere) then I would think that it was tight enough to keep out water. I saw a sign today for fuel @ $4.93..... I think I'd burn that stuff....

Rodney
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