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Mangoman
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So I know there is a similar thread regarding how long to start a D2 but I have a question:

I have tracked down my Grandpa's D4 7U. It has electric pony start and has been sitting probably better part of a year. It looks like I can strike a fair deal for the ol girl and bring it home. Curious what kind of shape it is in and I know it will take time to get a good idea. I might go to see how it starts/ strike a deal this weekend and it is supposed to be fairly cold. About -10c. Can I hope to fire it up without ether and drama or is it fair to give her a whiff? She is s/n 7U18985 a 1952 for all you who are curious.

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Nathan
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Thu, Dec 8, 2016 12:10 PM
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Now, Now, Nathan,

You look a bit young to be driving that D4. Ha-Ha-Ha....😛eace:

On a much more serious note, great looking tractor even though I cannot help with your answer, sorry.
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Thu, Dec 8, 2016 1:35 PM
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Now, Now, Nathan,

You look a bit young to be driving that D4. Ha-Ha-Ha....😛eace:

On a much more serious note, great looking tractor even though I cannot help with your answer, sorry.
If its been stood I would check all the levels any that looks high I would suspect water contamination and change, also change the pony oil , warm up the pony on a low idle
then crank the main with the decomp in the start position until you get oil pressure then run position for 5 minuits then give the main some fuel if you just get white unburnt fuel out of the exhaust and it doesn't take off shut the fuel off and give it another 5 mins ,if there isn't any smoke or un burnt fuel coming out you would need to check for stuck rack or lack of fuel... a tiny bit of either should be ok if its very cold ... good luck have fun :cheer2:
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Thu, Dec 8, 2016 3:00 PM
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If its been stood I would check all the levels any that looks high I would suspect water contamination and change, also change the pony oil , warm up the pony on a low idle
then crank the main with the decomp in the start position until you get oil pressure then run position for 5 minuits then give the main some fuel if you just get white unburnt fuel out of the exhaust and it doesn't take off shut the fuel off and give it another 5 mins ,if there isn't any smoke or un burnt fuel coming out you would need to check for stuck rack or lack of fuel... a tiny bit of either should be ok if its very cold ... good luck have fun :cheer2:
Hi Nathan,

That is really cool that you tracked down your Grandpa's D4, I hope you get it bought and back home! I have my Grandpa's WD45 and my wife's grandparents JD B, I enjoy both of them and their history very much.

Cheshire Cat has given great advice, take the restart slow and keep an eye out for issues as you go along. It would be helpful if you added your general location in your profile, there may be a member nearby who could help. Be sure to keep us posted on your progress and good luck! Thanks.

Bryan
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Thu, Dec 8, 2016 7:31 PM
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Hi Nathan,

That is really cool that you tracked down your Grandpa's D4, I hope you get it bought and back home! I have my Grandpa's WD45 and my wife's grandparents JD B, I enjoy both of them and their history very much.

Cheshire Cat has given great advice, take the restart slow and keep an eye out for issues as you go along. It would be helpful if you added your general location in your profile, there may be a member nearby who could help. Be sure to keep us posted on your progress and good luck! Thanks.

Bryan
i'd wait and make sure water is out of compartments, especially oil pan, transmission and final drives. good luck.
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Thu, Dec 8, 2016 8:29 PM
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i'd wait and make sure water is out of compartments, especially oil pan, transmission and final drives. good luck.
Not knowing where you live, if you have freezing tempuratures, Take heed of Ag Mikes comments. You dont want to break something that might have frozen condensation in it. Personally when starting I leave the fuel off until it starts to pop a little and then pull the throttle all the way with a good snap and as it takes off move it back to a fast idle. This is what it says in my Cat Manuals. Time depends on temperature. In many areas and times of the year 5 minutes may be plenty but it is not enough if you live in the frozen north.
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Fri, Dec 9, 2016 12:10 AM
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Not knowing where you live, if you have freezing tempuratures, Take heed of Ag Mikes comments. You dont want to break something that might have frozen condensation in it. Personally when starting I leave the fuel off until it starts to pop a little and then pull the throttle all the way with a good snap and as it takes off move it back to a fast idle. This is what it says in my Cat Manuals. Time depends on temperature. In many areas and times of the year 5 minutes may be plenty but it is not enough if you live in the frozen north.
Sitting for a year?
OIH and Ag-Mike are right about the frozen condensation issue.
I agree on checking fluid levels, even if possible getting the drain plugs opened up just to see what is in there.
If it had to come out now so as to not lose the deal.
Could it be pulled out and loaded on a trailer?
If not, then yes, get it started but be cautious of creaks/groans/snaps.
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Fri, Dec 9, 2016 4:38 AM
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Sitting for a year?
OIH and Ag-Mike are right about the frozen condensation issue.
I agree on checking fluid levels, even if possible getting the drain plugs opened up just to see what is in there.
If it had to come out now so as to not lose the deal.
Could it be pulled out and loaded on a trailer?
If not, then yes, get it started but be cautious of creaks/groans/snaps.
From the sound of your first post it is in a cold area and the condensation may already be frozen. I would take a torpedo heater and blow it under the rear of the D4. I would let it heat the bottom of the tractor until I feel the top of the trans getting warm. If you do this it should thaw out any frozen moisture and put enough heat into the engine for it to start fairly easy.
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Fri, Dec 9, 2016 8:47 AM
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From the sound of your first post it is in a cold area and the condensation may already be frozen. I would take a torpedo heater and blow it under the rear of the D4. I would let it heat the bottom of the tractor until I feel the top of the trans getting warm. If you do this it should thaw out any frozen moisture and put enough heat into the engine for it to start fairly easy.
Chuck C
My first thing is to pull it out of the weeds so it's easier to scoot underneath & check all the drains. Take a sheet of cardboard to lay on.
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My first thing is to pull it out of the weeds so it's easier to scoot underneath & check all the drains. Take a sheet of cardboard to lay on.


What if the final drives are froze with ice? would the tracks just skid on the ground and not damage the drives?
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Fri, Dec 9, 2016 10:37 AM
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What if the final drives are froze with ice? would the tracks just skid on the ground and not damage the drives?
Thanks for all the advice. I am in
Revelstoke, BC, Canada. My grandpa bought the cat fairly newish sometime maybe mid fifties and used it logging and probably in the yard at his sawmill in Cherryville until he retired in the late 70s. It plowed snow at my uncle and aunts once in a while in Cherryville then was sold to a swiss beekeeper did snowplowing duties on his farm in Revelstoke until last year when he got a little too old to tough it on the farm (85+) and moved into town. Now it sits and I want to return it to snowplowing duty on my friend's farm as I don't really have space (live in town).

I wish I could winch in onto a trailer and nudge it into a shop, warm it all up, change the fluids, turn everything over, inspect fuel rack movement but I don't have the time, place or money to do everything all at once now. Would it be such a crime in more experienced people's eyes to check oil coolant and give it a good long warm-up, feed her some fuel and gently nudge forward back, up on a trailer and onto the trailer and then farm? If the crankcase is overfull either it is milky (existing water into oil issue needs attention), smelling like gas (need to address float valve issue/ fuel valve, possibly change before even starting if severe) or just overfull with water (engine will be stuck so can't start it anyway). I think i should gently start/ run it unless I suspect there is more than a couple liters of gas sitting in the crankcase. I should get it to operating temp, change engine oil/ filter, pony oil, fuel filter(s) check trans/ finals oil (possibly change) and let her roll!

The little critter on the seat is our 16month heavy equipment aficionado, Ezra. He went bananas when we got close to the cat and started squealing and pointing. He wasn't content until I put him in the operators seat 😂
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