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I know this is probably a big question but i am going to ask anyway so i get the most up to date info. i am ready to add grease to my track rollers on my 1953 D4 6U. i lifted the machine up with the blade and rolled each roller and the feel silky smooth with no wobble and no leaks. the PO had the tractor rebuilt at least 20 years ago and then passed away leaving it in the barn. i don't think there are more than 400 hours on rebuild,although the rollers are not new. the button heads all have old grease still covering the heads so i believe it was lubed before it went into the barn many years ago. i am trying to baseline the tractor by changing or servicing all of the gearboxes and final drives before i use it. all that is left to do is the rollers and i now have a button head on an old grease gun with John Deere Corn Head Grease in it. what are the opinions of the ACMOC group before i proceed? is corn head grease ok? what is the procedure to add grease without blowing the seals? Thanks for your opinions are welcome!!
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Sat, May 27, 2017 11:19 PM
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I am no expert, but the corn head grease has several things going for it....
Its the right weight 00 (semi-fluid at normal temps)
It has extreme pressure additives
It is comparable with bright (bronze) metals that are used in the corn head row unit gearboxes, so it should be ok long term in rollers
Its available at most farm machinery dealers and oil/lubricant jobbers in both bulk and tube packages.

The best plan is to get a coupler with a relief valve in it or use a high volume bulk pump that has a relief valve and some "feel" so you know when the pressure increases. Or you can use a hand gun and be alert to increased resistance. Maybe a pistol grip model would make it easier to feel when the roller is full.
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Sun, May 28, 2017 2:05 AM
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The procedure I used on my d2 rollers was to first remove the plug on the opposite end from the grease button on roller.Pump grease until it flows out the plug hole.Once the grease is flowing out the hole check its appearce,it may be old grease containing dirt,bronze water ETC.,so you want the new clean grease flowing out the plug hole. Pay attention to how much pressure you are applying to the grease pump handle,this Resistance at the handle is what you need to get a feel for. A lot is said about over greasing the rollers and blowing out the bellows seal,but you also don't want to under grease them.Thats why I believe its critical to remove the plug while greasing the roller.
I have heard suppliers of 00 grease referring to it as "Self levelling grease", so once you put the plug back in the roller one would assume the grease will level out in the roller.Dont apply any more grease once the plug is back in.
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Which part of Oaklahoma do you live? I worked for a Guy in the north of the state once.
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Sun, May 28, 2017 7:06 AM
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The procedure I used on my d2 rollers was to first remove the plug on the opposite end from the grease button on roller.Pump grease until it flows out the plug hole.Once the grease is flowing out the hole check its appearce,it may be old grease containing dirt,bronze water ETC.,so you want the new clean grease flowing out the plug hole. Pay attention to how much pressure you are applying to the grease pump handle,this Resistance at the handle is what you need to get a feel for. A lot is said about over greasing the rollers and blowing out the bellows seal,but you also don't want to under grease them.Thats why I believe its critical to remove the plug while greasing the roller.
I have heard suppliers of 00 grease referring to it as "Self levelling grease", so once you put the plug back in the roller one would assume the grease will level out in the roller.Dont apply any more grease once the plug is back in.
Hope this helps
Which part of Oaklahoma do you live? I worked for a Guy in the north of the state once.
i decided to go ahead and grease her up. upon closer inspection i noticed some old residue on a few of the rollers so i believe those have blown seals but i am going to proceed with caution anyway. something i decided to try was after i cleaned the buttonhead fittings prior to greasing i would depress the small valve in the center of the buttonhead fitting, if oil or grease came out i would suppose that one was still full. then i began greasing them all. i noticed after a few pumps on some the lever on my gun became just a little harder to pump,so i quit and again depressed the center valve in the button head fitting and a little grease under pressure would come out indicating the roller was full. on the others that had residue i have yet to build any inside pressure but i also don't have grease leaking from the seals. i will proceed with caution until i know what rollers have good seals.👋
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Sun, May 28, 2017 11:44 PM
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i decided to go ahead and grease her up. upon closer inspection i noticed some old residue on a few of the rollers so i believe those have blown seals but i am going to proceed with caution anyway. something i decided to try was after i cleaned the buttonhead fittings prior to greasing i would depress the small valve in the center of the buttonhead fitting, if oil or grease came out i would suppose that one was still full. then i began greasing them all. i noticed after a few pumps on some the lever on my gun became just a little harder to pump,so i quit and again depressed the center valve in the button head fitting and a little grease under pressure would come out indicating the roller was full. on the others that had residue i have yet to build any inside pressure but i also don't have grease leaking from the seals. i will proceed with caution until i know what rollers have good seals.👋


I had the same experience as I have a '53 D4. I've lubed everything up via grease gun zirc fittings, and the low volume button head grease pump with Grade 1.
The last issue I have is:

HOW do you access the track rollers button heads to grease them? When I look at the operators manual it shows a bit different setup than what I have. It almost looks like square plug removal is necessary? Here are a couple of photos to put a picture to my words

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closer look

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Sat, Jun 15, 2019 4:59 AM
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Reply to bexrex:


I had the same experience as I have a '53 D4. I've lubed everything up via grease gun zirc fittings, and the low volume button head grease pump with Grade 1.
The last issue I have is:

HOW do you access the track rollers button heads to grease them? When I look at the operators manual it shows a bit different setup than what I have. It almost looks like square plug removal is necessary? Here are a couple of photos to put a picture to my words

(sorry this is upside down)
[attachment=54333]20190614_091852.jpg[/attachment]

closer look

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The rollers with the square plugs are "life time lubricated" (not necessarily so) type.
They are filled with 30 wt oil using the described tool.
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Sat, Jun 15, 2019 5:18 AM
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The rollers with the square plugs are "life time lubricated" (not necessarily so) type.
They are filled with 30 wt oil using the described tool.
Shop around for the 5M2080, prices are all over. As low as $23.99 at Regal USA. (That's probably a non threaded version which works fine). High end is like $235.

Before we get the usual cobble fix work around, here's why....
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Sat, Jun 15, 2019 5:34 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
Shop around for the 5M2080, prices are all over. As low as $23.99 at Regal USA. (That's probably a non threaded version which works fine). High end is like $235.

Before we get the usual cobble fix work around, here's why....
Thank you both for the description. I know what I am looking for now at least. I appreciate the attachments as well
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Sat, Jun 15, 2019 8:20 AM
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Thank you both for the description. I know what I am looking for now at least. I appreciate the attachments as well
The original grease is still made today or an alternative like discussed can be used. I purchased some original grease not long ago and was very happy.
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Sun, Jun 16, 2019 8:27 AM
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