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Track pin: which end goes in first?

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Chip S
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Well, got the recoil assy back in the 977 and buttoned down. Last piece of business is to pin the track back together. Polished the bosses, lubed them up real good with anti- sieze. Welded up the doohickey's to compress the belleville washers and spacers in place. The pin I bought from Regal has one side that has a polished surface, the other has a grooved surface. Manual says the dimpled side should be on the outside, but both ends have dimples on then.

Which end of this bloody thing goes in the hole first?
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Tue, Sep 24, 2013 7:24 PM
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I won't comment on the dimples but I will say that I always used STP Engine Treatment to install master pins. That was the best thing I found for that job.

ETA: Some master pins went in so easy that I worried about them coming out but none ever did.
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Tue, Sep 24, 2013 7:41 PM
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Reply to Old 3T lover:
I won't comment on the dimples but I will say that I always used STP Engine Treatment to install master pins. That was the best thing I found for that job.

ETA: Some master pins went in so easy that I worried about them coming out but none ever did.
Cool the pins in a freezer, then drive them in.
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Tue, Sep 24, 2013 8:01 PM
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Reply to fordhook:
Cool the pins in a freezer, then drive them in.
What I've done is to take a piece of shaft .020 to .030 under the size of the pin, then assemble all the bits, pull the track together and install the slave pin so everything stays in place. Cool the master pin, warm the links a bit and drive the slave pin out with the new master pin.

I've never seen a master pin like you describe with one end grooved. I'd measure both ends and put the smaller end in first. .it's possible that the grooved end might measure slightly larger by a couple of tenths.
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Tue, Sep 24, 2013 9:41 PM
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Reply to ol Grump:
What I've done is to take a piece of shaft .020 to .030 under the size of the pin, then assemble all the bits, pull the track together and install the slave pin so everything stays in place. Cool the master pin, warm the links a bit and drive the slave pin out with the new master pin.

I've never seen a master pin like you describe with one end grooved. I'd measure both ends and put the smaller end in first. .it's possible that the grooved end might measure slightly larger by a couple of tenths.
OK, just so's you can say you've seen one...
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Wed, Sep 25, 2013 1:44 AM
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Reply to Chip S:
OK, just so's you can say you've seen one...
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Do you think the 'grooved end' has been knurled?

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Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:07 AM
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Do you think the 'grooved end' has been knurled?

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[quote="daron"]Do you think the 'grooved end' has been knurled?

Daron[/quote]

Dunno. Look like simple straight cuts. Don't know why they should grip any better. I haven't stuck a caliper on it yet to see if there's a difference in diameter.
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Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:16 AM
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Do you think the 'grooved end' has been knurled?

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Hi, if in doubt get a angle grinder and grind a large X on each end of pin. 😆
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Wed, Sep 25, 2013 2:23 AM
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Hi, if in doubt get a angle grinder and grind a large X on each end of pin. 😆
do you think the groves are to keep it from rotating in the bushing??
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Wed, Sep 25, 2013 4:34 AM
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do you think the groves are to keep it from rotating in the bushing??


Hey, that's a thought. But why would the grooves be any better than a tight interference fit with a smooth machined surface? Since the boss is smooth bore, there would be more surface area to grab if it were smooth too.

In any case, still doesn't solve the "which end" question. Guess I'll get out the caliper tomorrow and take a measurement. If they are the same, I'll just toss it in the air, and whichever end points at the track'll go in first!
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Wed, Sep 25, 2013 5:40 AM
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Hey, that's a thought. But why would the grooves be any better than a tight interference fit with a smooth machined surface? Since the boss is smooth bore, there would be more surface area to grab if it were smooth too.

In any case, still doesn't solve the "which end" question. Guess I'll get out the caliper tomorrow and take a measurement. If they are the same, I'll just toss it in the air, and whichever end points at the track'll go in first!
Hi Team,
never seen one like that. If I was fitting it I would fit the grouved/splined/knurled end last--to the out side--as if you drove the grouved end in first it will tend to broach the link bore and then tend to make the smooth end loose.
Some master pins have dimples both ends and one end has a step machined to the outer edge of the pin face to help stop the pin end swelling when driven in.
If the end is swollen then when you next drive it out, the link bore will be oversized and so require the grouved end pin to retain it in the oversized link bore.
Just some thoughts.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Wed, Sep 25, 2013 6:45 AM
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