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Don't think its supposed to come out in 2 pieces.
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Mon, Sep 23, 2019 10:11 PM
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That's certainly not something you see every day!

Will you rebuild it or find another engine?
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Tue, Sep 24, 2019 12:06 AM
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Reply to ccjersey:
That's certainly not something you see every day!

Will you rebuild it or find another engine?
If the engine isn't an interference design, you might have dodged a larger bullet as the rear pistons might have been out of time with the camshaft
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Tue, Sep 24, 2019 12:50 AM
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If the engine isn't an interference design, you might have dodged a larger bullet as the rear pistons might have been out of time with the camshaft
And I thought I was having a bad day because the John Deere mower gas tank sprang a leak!!:rant:

A two piece crank can ruin a day completely. Best of luck getting it fixed and running again. Whatever you decide it will be expensive and time consuming.
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Tue, Sep 24, 2019 3:03 AM
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And I thought I was having a bad day because the John Deere mower gas tank sprang a leak!!:rant:

A two piece crank can ruin a day completely. Best of luck getting it fixed and running again. Whatever you decide it will be expensive and time consuming.
Looks like a 3304.
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Tue, Sep 24, 2019 4:34 AM
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Looks like a 3304.
Yep 3304. Definitely not a common occurrence.
This is a machine that I had not done a lot of hours with. It was burning way to much oil but had good oil pressure still, so I decided on doing an in-frame job on it. New pistons, liners and rings, and new valves and valve guides.
Replaced the connecting rod bearings seeing as they had to come out. Old bearings looked near perfect.

Engine fired up and ran nicely. No smoke and no shakes and rattles. Fast forward about 30 hours and I got a call to say there's a funny noise coming from the engine. . .

So far upon closer inspection it turns out that the con rod journal where it broke has been welded up and ground back to size, so it seems there was obviously some mis alignment going on here or an old crack.
The block doesn't appear to be damaged but I will send it in to be checked out for cracks and make sure the main bearing tunnel is true and also check the connecting rods are not bent.
These older machines aren't plentiful around here so I'll be rebuilding it if the block checks out ok.
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Tue, Sep 24, 2019 10:44 AM
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Reply to Glum:
Yep 3304. Definitely not a common occurrence.
This is a machine that I had not done a lot of hours with. It was burning way to much oil but had good oil pressure still, so I decided on doing an in-frame job on it. New pistons, liners and rings, and new valves and valve guides.
Replaced the connecting rod bearings seeing as they had to come out. Old bearings looked near perfect.

Engine fired up and ran nicely. No smoke and no shakes and rattles. Fast forward about 30 hours and I got a call to say there's a funny noise coming from the engine. . .

So far upon closer inspection it turns out that the con rod journal where it broke has been welded up and ground back to size, so it seems there was obviously some mis alignment going on here or an old crack.
The block doesn't appear to be damaged but I will send it in to be checked out for cracks and make sure the main bearing tunnel is true and also check the connecting rods are not bent.
These older machines aren't plentiful around here so I'll be rebuilding it if the block checks out ok.
Hi Team,
as a heads up from what I recall at the Dealer as we sent the cranks out to a specialist repairer/grinder.

From memory and as these cranks are high stressed in some applications and so the crank Journal radius's are Fillet Rolled with a special tooling to compress the metal in the radius's to make them less prone to cracking in the high flex areas--in effect the radius becomes undercut.

If welded, I seem to recall the crank needs to be stress relieved, shot peened, heat treated and possibly then nitrided and fillet rolled--not necessarily in that order and maybe not all processes.
Cat will have a Special Instruction for the re-weld procedure and so forth--if indeed they even allow it.

I stand to be corrected.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Wed, Sep 25, 2019 11:57 AM
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Hi Team,
as a heads up from what I recall at the Dealer as we sent the cranks out to a specialist repairer/grinder.

From memory and as these cranks are high stressed in some applications and so the crank Journal radius's are Fillet Rolled with a special tooling to compress the metal in the radius's to make them less prone to cracking in the high flex areas--in effect the radius becomes undercut.

If welded, I seem to recall the crank needs to be stress relieved, shot peened, heat treated and possibly then nitrided and fillet rolled--not necessarily in that order and maybe not all processes.
Cat will have a Special Instruction for the re-weld procedure and so forth--if indeed they even allow it.

I stand to be corrected.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Lifting only with 3 poles? You have my respect.
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Thu, Oct 10, 2019 10:56 AM
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Lifting only with 3 poles? You have my respect.
That tripod has done more than its fair share of work over the years. Isn't usually a loader or excavator around when things go south out in the sticks. The worst part is that the machine was in the workshop with concrete floor and lifting equipment two weeks before.
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Thu, Oct 10, 2019 11:07 AM
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That tripod has done more than its fair share of work over the years. Isn't usually a loader or excavator around when things go south out in the sticks. The worst part is that the machine was in the workshop with concrete floor and lifting equipment two weeks before.
Hi Glum,
does this machine use a flex coupling with 4 rubber drive pucks/isolators--if so one failed puck or excessive misalignment will cause a broken crank in short time.

Note the Misalignment comments at the end of the second article posted--bent frame rails, failed rubbers bush in the front engine cross mount are some to be aware of.

Alignment of the engine to the transmission is critical for the same reason that misalignment causes the pucks to fail and so exert weird forces into the crank.

From my experience in my time at The Dealer the D4D, D5, 941, 951 and 955K and maybe some later versions of these have this drive system.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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