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Teach me how to run this D7E!!! Nightmare doing a cut...

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bobby1
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I posted elsewhere looking for some help and it started to dawn on me that I might have machine setup issues along with a lack of experience with this machine. I am trying to cut some rather easy to cut clays. I figure it would be an easy job for the 7 but when I start in a cut, I have a little down pressure on the blade to get the cut started, then it just wants to EAT and digs in deep, and I have to try to get that blade back up and end up making a mess of my cuts. I tried for hours and just could not get this working right. I really need to be able to take smooth 6" cuts, not just 2ft DIGS.

I realized that dozers may have idler adjustments so if you are pulling mostly, you don't need full support from the idler so they might ride "high", and when dozing, you obviously want things running flat or lower position? I don't even know what I got...

Then there is blade pitch. Could it be that I need to adjust this to calm this beast down? I know the cut edge is fresh and seems to have no problem getting a bite, the problem is the blade wants to sink into a deep cut and I want it to ride out a smaller cut.

Help please!
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Mon, May 22, 2017 4:58 AM
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I'll wait and see what the experts say before throwing my 20 cents worth in as almost everything I ever say on here is always corrected by some

Dunno if you have a low high idler adjustment on this model plenty here will be able tell you the answer to that for you


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Mon, May 22, 2017 5:26 AM
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I'll wait and see what the experts say before throwing my 20 cents worth in as almost everything I ever say on here is always corrected by some

Dunno if you have a low high idler adjustment on this model plenty here will be able tell you the answer to that for you


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Ha, I confirmed in the manual that it does but says absolutely NOTHING about checking or changing it! Only that unless otherwise requested, the machine will always ship in the low position. When looking at the slot in the idler bracket where the idler axle is, the axle appears to be at the lower part of that slot. Not sure if there if that is the indicator or what. I will try to snag a better pic here.
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Mon, May 22, 2017 5:34 AM
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Ha, I confirmed in the manual that it does but says absolutely NOTHING about checking or changing it! Only that unless otherwise requested, the machine will always ship in the low position. When looking at the slot in the idler bracket where the idler axle is, the axle appears to be at the lower part of that slot. Not sure if there if that is the indicator or what. I will try to snag a better pic here.
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Idlers are in the low position, I would say that 6" cuts in clay are ambitious, try about 2" and practice, you dig, the nose drops, you predict the drop and lift the blade a touch, as the complete machine drops into the cut you lower the blade a little, easy to say but more difficult in practice. Experienced operators will tell you much more than I know.
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Mon, May 22, 2017 5:47 AM
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Idlers are in the low position, I would say that 6" cuts in clay are ambitious, try about 2" and practice, you dig, the nose drops, you predict the drop and lift the blade a touch, as the complete machine drops into the cut you lower the blade a little, easy to say but more difficult in practice. Experienced operators will tell you much more than I know.
I understand what you are saying. As you cut, the front of the tractor will eventually drop into that cut so you bring the blade up. But as the back of the machine gets in the cut, you have to take the blade back down as you are now "in the cut". I think most of my issue is I am realizing most of my experience has been back filling from a spoil pile on level ground. That becomes rather easy.

I think the toughest part is I am used to machinery that is lighter, even a smaller dozer, that just won't dig, so you get more of a scraping action. It became obvious in the very first cut that the D7 had enough weight and power to swallow itself in these clays. The problem has been when the machine nose drops, I am already screwed because I just took a big notch out. About every pass I made showed a hogged out area where I dug in, followed by a much higher area where over compensated and brought the machine out of the cut.

I just figured I might be able to adjust the machine to actually reduce its 'hunger' and let it scrape more. I most likely have the wrong machine for the more final work that I am doing right now, but at least it will force me to get good at it!
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Mon, May 22, 2017 6:04 AM
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I understand what you are saying. As you cut, the front of the tractor will eventually drop into that cut so you bring the blade up. But as the back of the machine gets in the cut, you have to take the blade back down as you are now "in the cut". I think most of my issue is I am realizing most of my experience has been back filling from a spoil pile on level ground. That becomes rather easy.

I think the toughest part is I am used to machinery that is lighter, even a smaller dozer, that just won't dig, so you get more of a scraping action. It became obvious in the very first cut that the D7 had enough weight and power to swallow itself in these clays. The problem has been when the machine nose drops, I am already screwed because I just took a big notch out. About every pass I made showed a hogged out area where I dug in, followed by a much higher area where over compensated and brought the machine out of the cut.

I just figured I might be able to adjust the machine to actually reduce its 'hunger' and let it scrape more. I most likely have the wrong machine for the more final work that I am doing right now, but at least it will force me to get good at it!
Pitch [tilt] the blade forward some, extend tilt braces, and take shallower cuts at first, when your blade gets half filled then you can apply more down pressure to what the tractor will handle and push without spinning the tracks. The operators manual for the blade explains that tilting the blade forward will reduce digging and tilting it back will increase digging action. Also operate tractor at high rpm and first gear for better control of hydraulics and load capability
This operator does pretty good working in heavy clay.

https://youtu.be/fEgI7wDh0u0.
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Mon, May 22, 2017 6:17 AM
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Pitch [tilt] the blade forward some, extend tilt braces, and take shallower cuts at first, when your blade gets half filled then you can apply more down pressure to what the tractor will handle and push without spinning the tracks. The operators manual for the blade explains that tilting the blade forward will reduce digging and tilting it back will increase digging action. Also operate tractor at high rpm and first gear for better control of hydraulics and load capability
This operator does pretty good working in heavy clay.

https://youtu.be/fEgI7wDh0u0.
[quote="Rome K/G"]Pitch [tilt] the blade forward some, extend tilt braces, and take shallower cuts at first, when your blade gets half filled then you can apply more down pressure to what the tractor will handle and push without spinning the tracks. The operators manual for the blade explains that tilting the blade forward will reduce digging and tilting it back will increase digging action. Also operate tractor at high rpm and first gear for better control of hydraulics and load capability
This operator does pretty good working in heavy clay.

https://youtu.be/fEgI7wDh0u0.[/quote]


THIS^^^^^ to much suction for the type of material. play around with the pitch until you get it right and then let us know how it works.
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Mon, May 22, 2017 6:44 AM
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[quote="Rome K/G"]Pitch [tilt] the blade forward some, extend tilt braces, and take shallower cuts at first, when your blade gets half filled then you can apply more down pressure to what the tractor will handle and push without spinning the tracks. The operators manual for the blade explains that tilting the blade forward will reduce digging and tilting it back will increase digging action. Also operate tractor at high rpm and first gear for better control of hydraulics and load capability
This operator does pretty good working in heavy clay.

https://youtu.be/fEgI7wDh0u0.[/quote]


THIS^^^^^ to much suction for the type of material. play around with the pitch until you get it right and then let us know how it works.
Can someone tell me why they made the ends of the of the little pitch adjustment pins so you have to cut them off just to adjust? Mine are also bent so this might be fun to get them out so I can adjust.

I noticed in the video the same issue I was facing other than I am not really trying to 'hog' material like that right now. You notice he is pushing along, then the blade drops. I can't tell if he is doing that or the clay just sucked the blade down.

Either way, for right now, I would be most happy with a little more "scraping" than hogging, but I fear problems might just get worse as I push down harder to get some cutting, then when it does bite, it really bites.

Imagine this, I am trying to fix some drainage and I need to lower an area by about 2". my 3pt box blade will take days, but the 7 will do it minutes. I just need to scrape along as gouging will just cost me more time in fixing.

Maybe a grader is more of what I needed for now....lol
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Mon, May 22, 2017 7:05 AM
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[quote="Rome K/G"]Pitch [tilt] the blade forward some, extend tilt braces, and take shallower cuts at first, when your blade gets half filled then you can apply more down pressure to what the tractor will handle and push without spinning the tracks. The operators manual for the blade explains that tilting the blade forward will reduce digging and tilting it back will increase digging action. Also operate tractor at high rpm and first gear for better control of hydraulics and load capability
This operator does pretty good working in heavy clay.

https://youtu.be/fEgI7wDh0u0.[/quote]


THIS^^^^^ to much suction for the type of material. play around with the pitch until you get it right and then let us know how it works.
For what its worth dug my new pond in bright Blue clay - not sure of the attack angle on the D2 blade but I never adjusted anything. Could get sheets of the pottery clay to role up in front of blade -( maybe 2- 6"). Could not touch it if left exposed to dry for a week. Bob
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Mon, May 22, 2017 7:08 AM
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For what its worth dug my new pond in bright Blue clay - not sure of the attack angle on the D2 blade but I never adjusted anything. Could get sheets of the pottery clay to role up in front of blade -( maybe 2- 6"). Could not touch it if left exposed to dry for a week. Bob
I can promise most. Everyone here knows more than me about this, but here is my learned from experience method. What ever cut you start with, stay there. If I try to raise the blade just a bit, when the tracks catch up to the cut, then you get a dip, then another and so on.

At that point I have made 100 yards of whoop d doos and can only fix it with another pass.

Small bites, commit to that, and make a full pass. Hey , that's works on my dirt, which is not sticky clay.
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Mon, May 22, 2017 7:37 AM
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I can promise most. Everyone here knows more than me about this, but here is my learned from experience method. What ever cut you start with, stay there. If I try to raise the blade just a bit, when the tracks catch up to the cut, then you get a dip, then another and so on.

At that point I have made 100 yards of whoop d doos and can only fix it with another pass.

Small bites, commit to that, and make a full pass. Hey , that's works on my dirt, which is not sticky clay.
Try a little less aggressive approach on your cut, a little less cut until you become accustomed to the corrections needed to obtain a smooth grade. Practice makes perfect.
Happy Dozin' 👍
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