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Stubborn pony flywheel D6

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Trying to persuade pony flywheel off my D6 9U so I can work on the clutch issues. I am using a puller, but not happening. I don't see a rubber ring on this flywheel like a harmonic balancer on a car. Can I apply some heat to the flywheel in the shaft area ? I plan to install a new oil seal regardless...

Thanks for any tips.
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Thu, Feb 16, 2017 11:33 AM
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you can apply heat but don't beat on it as it will loosen the rear main bearing dowel pin. give it a good soak with some penetrant such as kroil as well. are you using an H-bar type puller and the puller holes? can you get a hollow hydraulic cylinder under your puller? if you are using a jaw puller you can break the flange for the pull rope.
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Thu, Feb 16, 2017 11:47 AM
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you can apply heat but don't beat on it as it will loosen the rear main bearing dowel pin. give it a good soak with some penetrant such as kroil as well. are you using an H-bar type puller and the puller holes? can you get a hollow hydraulic cylinder under your puller? if you are using a jaw puller you can break the flange for the pull rope.
I am using an H bar type puller. It has worked great on pony motors in the past. I will soak it for a couple days while I tend to other things . I'll try one more time before warming it up a bit. Thanks
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Thu, Feb 16, 2017 1:14 PM
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Reply to TOGNOT:
I am using an H bar type puller. It has worked great on pony motors in the past. I will soak it for a couple days while I tend to other things . I'll try one more time before warming it up a bit. Thanks
Hi, TOGNOT.
There is a Loctite brew called Freeze and Release. I have never used it but I have been told that it is pretty good - might be worth a shot.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Thu, Feb 16, 2017 6:36 PM
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Heat it. There should be no problem from that...........unless you wave the torch too close to the pony gas tank! Freeze spray is going to be hard to get to the shaft without also spraying the hub at the same time.

Remember to leave the nut on but loosened a few threads because it may come off with a bang and you don't want to be grabbing that HOT chunk of iron trying to control its fall into the bowels of the tractor.
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Thu, Feb 16, 2017 10:16 PM
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Heat it. There should be no problem from that...........unless you wave the torch too close to the pony gas tank! Freeze spray is going to be hard to get to the shaft without also spraying the hub at the same time.

Remember to leave the nut on but loosened a few threads because it may come off with a bang and you don't want to be grabbing that HOT chunk of iron trying to control its fall into the bowels of the tractor.
cc is correct. Might take lots of heat to the flywheel for it to loosen its grip. If you have a heavy duty puller use an impact gun. Then you can get lots of pull without lots of effort holding back up.
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Thu, Feb 16, 2017 10:28 PM
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cc is correct. Might take lots of heat to the flywheel for it to loosen its grip. If you have a heavy duty puller use an impact gun. Then you can get lots of pull without lots of effort holding back up.
It's been mentioned to tap the circumference of the flywheel as well i.e. tapping radially toward the center of the shaft. The other approach I've heard of on sprockets is to set the puller up nice and tight and then walk away. Come back tomorrow and it might be off. Haven't tried that one myself but will. I have to to re-bearing my 5U's pony so will try that leave-it-overnight technique. I should probably turn off the shop heater so I get some creep going on as it cools down from the balmy 60 that it is in there : )
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Fri, Feb 17, 2017 12:13 AM
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It's been mentioned to tap the circumference of the flywheel as well i.e. tapping radially toward the center of the shaft. The other approach I've heard of on sprockets is to set the puller up nice and tight and then walk away. Come back tomorrow and it might be off. Haven't tried that one myself but will. I have to to re-bearing my 5U's pony so will try that leave-it-overnight technique. I should probably turn off the shop heater so I get some creep going on as it cools down from the balmy 60 that it is in there : )
The first one I pulled, I didn't have the right puller and didn't want to brake the flanges. I got it as tight as I was comfortable with,put heat to it and went away. It took from 10 to 30 minutes and I heard a noise and it had popped. I have used a anti seize product on them when going back together even though the book says install dry,never had one come louse yet and never had to us heat to get it off.
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Fri, Feb 17, 2017 12:36 AM
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The first one I pulled, I didn't have the right puller and didn't want to brake the flanges. I got it as tight as I was comfortable with,put heat to it and went away. It took from 10 to 30 minutes and I heard a noise and it had popped. I have used a anti seize product on them when going back together even though the book says install dry,never had one come louse yet and never had to us heat to get it off.
Well, it was not easy but I got the SOB to pop loose. I tried loading the flywheel under tension with a puller, and then heated the flywheel, for about 30 minutes with a rosebud tip. Nothing.

Adding to my joy was the discovery in the key way of a crack. Unlikely that I can reuse this flywheel.

I could not find a bigger puller that I wanted to buy. So, I bought a low profile 12 ton bottle Jack that would work on its side.I welded a couple of grade 8 bolts together to reach a 3/4 thick plate I put behind the Jack.

It took a LOT of pressure on this Jack to pop the flywheel loose. When I reinstall it will have some anti seize.

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Tue, Feb 21, 2017 9:43 AM
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Reply to TOGNOT:
Well, it was not easy but I got the SOB to pop loose. I tried loading the flywheel under tension with a puller, and then heated the flywheel, for about 30 minutes with a rosebud tip. Nothing.

Adding to my joy was the discovery in the key way of a crack. Unlikely that I can reuse this flywheel.

I could not find a bigger puller that I wanted to buy. So, I bought a low profile 12 ton bottle Jack that would work on its side.I welded a couple of grade 8 bolts together to reach a 3/4 thick plate I put behind the Jack.

It took a LOT of pressure on this Jack to pop the flywheel loose. When I reinstall it will have some anti seize.

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Your a fine welder Jack (TOGNOTS's name). Must of had good penatration on the bolts.

I bet you were a little nervous putting all that force on your homemade puller assembly.

Did you wear your safety glasses? LoL
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Tue, Feb 21, 2017 11:04 AM
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Your a fine welder Jack (TOGNOTS's name). Must of had good penatration on the bolts.

I bet you were a little nervous putting all that force on your homemade puller assembly.

Did you wear your safety glasses? LoL
So, as I mentioned after all the drama getting the pony flywheel off it was cracked in the keyway.

While scrounging around today I found a D6 pony motor (core) with a flywheel. I was an hour from home so I bought it. I did notice this Pony flywheel is held on with a bolt, not a big nut like my flywheel.

So, the D6 pony came with 2 different style crankshafts , one with a bolt end , one with a nut end.

Before I try to pull this flywheel off the core, will it fit my crank ( do the fly wheels interchange?)

Thanks
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