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starting pinion on D2-do I need to release after starting the diesel?

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Weekend Dozr
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Here is one question which I doubt is explained in the manual. When I start this D2, I
start the pony motor first. When I bought it, and when I've tried to engage the starter
pinion with pony running it just grinds. Although I've heard this is okay and to keep
trying until it engages, I saw the PO just engage the pinion BEFORE starting the pony
motor. This leaves just one operation to start turning over the diesel - flip the clutch
lever just above the starter pinion lever forward and the diesel begins cycling.
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Is this correct? And after the diesel is running, I pull that clutch back but did not do
anything with the started pinion. Am I supposed to disengage it?
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Also, once you engage the clutch to begin cycling the diesel aren't you supposed to
move the throttle lever all the way forward (as if to shut off) until it is warmed up
enough to fire? Maybe a short moment with some throttle "on" to allow some diesel
through the injectors to lube the cyclinders? Is that correct? I don't what I'd do with-
out this Forum......
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Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:59 AM
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On the clutch lever if you pull it back it engages a brake to stop the pinion from grinding. Then you can engage it. You can do it the other way where you engage the pinion prior to starting. Other guys do it that way. As far as the disengagement of the pinion, that is done automatically when the engine starts.
As far as the "Throttle" you can leave it closed while you are warming up the cylinders because you do NOT want fuel in the cylinders prior to combustion as it washes the crankcase oil off from the cylinder walls. When the engine is warm enough to fire, then open the throttle prior to flipping the decompression lever to run.
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Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:07 AM
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On the clutch lever if you pull it back it engages a brake to stop the pinion from grinding. Then you can engage it. You can do it the other way where you engage the pinion prior to starting. Other guys do it that way. As far as the disengagement of the pinion, that is done automatically when the engine starts.
As far as the "Throttle" you can leave it closed while you are warming up the cylinders because you do NOT want fuel in the cylinders prior to combustion as it washes the crankcase oil off from the cylinder walls. When the engine is warm enough to fire, then open the throttle prior to flipping the decompression lever to run.
I can't recall if you have manuals or not-Operations, Parts and Servicemen's Reference. At any rate, take a look at this link. Billy- did an exceptional job outlining the procedure found in the manual. It took me a while to dig it up.

You have to brake that starting engine clutch to engage the pinion by pulling it to the rear of the machine. I am not sure if you can see the pinion on the D2 while starting, but if braked properly it will stop turning. Release the brake just a bit and maybe more than once and rebrake to get the gears to mesh while the starting engine is running.

Good Luck! By the way...find a source for those manuals.πŸ‘

http://www.antiquecaterpillar.net/ACF_v2/showthread.php?t=15844&highlight=starting
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Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:09 AM
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I can't recall if you have manuals or not-Operations, Parts and Servicemen's Reference. At any rate, take a look at this link. Billy- did an exceptional job outlining the procedure found in the manual. It took me a while to dig it up.

You have to brake that starting engine clutch to engage the pinion by pulling it to the rear of the machine. I am not sure if you can see the pinion on the D2 while starting, but if braked properly it will stop turning. Release the brake just a bit and maybe more than once and rebrake to get the gears to mesh while the starting engine is running.

Good Luck! By the way...find a source for those manuals.πŸ‘

http://www.antiquecaterpillar.net/ACF_v2/showthread.php?t=15844&highlight=starting
If your pony acts like it wants to stall when engaging the starting engine clutch brake it usually is because the oil in the pinion clutch housing is old or dirty. The reason this can happen is because the starting clutch plates are a stack of metallic, flat discs that really like to stick to each other because of the oil, which can create a lot of drag before they seperate enough to slip. Changing the oil in that compartment can help the situation, a lot of guys say they have good luck using automatic transmission fluid in there instead of engine oil.

My solution is to put a slight "dish" on every-other clutch plate when I rebuild one of those units, to help them spring apart when not engaged. That way I can still use the regular oil in there without the dragging problem that can be encountered. Just a suggestion if you ever find yourself getting into one of those setups, but if you encounter this problem in the meantime, just changing the fluid is plenty good. Good luck with your new Cat!πŸ‘‹
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Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:33 AM
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Just to point out a misconception that may be cleared up in the threads that are linked above.........I haven't read through them.

When you get the main engine turning over, apply the compression and let the pony turn it under compression...........makes the diesel heat up from the heat of compression and also makes the pony work a lot harder, so that heats things up faster too. Only reason to throw compression on just at the last is if your pony won't run well enough for more than a few seconds of turning it under compression. Then you can probably get started by warming it up longer, opening the throttle and throw the compression on and hope it hits before the pony dies out.

When I think it's probably hot enough to go, I go ahead and open the throttle above half way or so so it starts cleanly and takes on off instead of barely having enough fuel to run fast enough to disengage the pony pinion. If it doesn't start right away, close the throttle again and let it warm up some more. If the pinion kicks out before the main engine starts, decompress main engine, brake and re-engage pinion, engage pinion clutch, put decompression lever back in and let it warm up a bit longer.

Also, you cannot release the pinion once it's latched in without opening up the inspection/adjustment cover and tripping the latches.
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Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:15 AM
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Just to point out a misconception that may be cleared up in the threads that are linked above.........I haven't read through them.

When you get the main engine turning over, apply the compression and let the pony turn it under compression...........makes the diesel heat up from the heat of compression and also makes the pony work a lot harder, so that heats things up faster too. Only reason to throw compression on just at the last is if your pony won't run well enough for more than a few seconds of turning it under compression. Then you can probably get started by warming it up longer, opening the throttle and throw the compression on and hope it hits before the pony dies out.

When I think it's probably hot enough to go, I go ahead and open the throttle above half way or so so it starts cleanly and takes on off instead of barely having enough fuel to run fast enough to disengage the pony pinion. If it doesn't start right away, close the throttle again and let it warm up some more. If the pinion kicks out before the main engine starts, decompress main engine, brake and re-engage pinion, engage pinion clutch, put decompression lever back in and let it warm up a bit longer.

Also, you cannot release the pinion once it's latched in without opening up the inspection/adjustment cover and tripping the latches.
I was speed writing during a break at work last night and rereading it CC is right on heating the cylinders. My pony runs really well to the point of using the jacket water and exhaust flowing over the intake manifold. This is generally the time period where you are checking for oil pressure and fuel pressure to build. It will generally start the main engine but not when its cold outside. Then I do leave the fuel off and run on compression to heat the cylinders more while cleaning up the snow around the tractor or whatever I need to do prior to starting. My technique is a little different because the D2 I grew up on didn't have the pony exhaust flowing over the intake manifold, consequently we ran the pony longer to heat the main engine via the water jacket.
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Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:27 PM
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I was speed writing during a break at work last night and rereading it CC is right on heating the cylinders. My pony runs really well to the point of using the jacket water and exhaust flowing over the intake manifold. This is generally the time period where you are checking for oil pressure and fuel pressure to build. It will generally start the main engine but not when its cold outside. Then I do leave the fuel off and run on compression to heat the cylinders more while cleaning up the snow around the tractor or whatever I need to do prior to starting. My technique is a little different because the D2 I grew up on didn't have the pony exhaust flowing over the intake manifold, consequently we ran the pony longer to heat the main engine via the water jacket.
Thats exactly the way I start my D2, I read once on these threads that smoking a Pall-Mall was just about the right time to let her warm up. I don't smoke anymore so I use the time to walk around the tractor and do a visual, oil pressure, check the radiator and any abnormal leaks. Chase the mice out of the seat.
Patience is the key
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