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All,
I am the recent new owner of a D2 5U, serial number 1XXX (which I think makes it 1947 or maybe 1948 - don't have the "X" numbers in front of me currently). On two occasions while trying to start it I have stalled the pony motor while engaging the pinion control lever. That makes it much more challenging to restart the pony since the diesel is causing extra load. What is the proper way to disengage the pinion control level so that I can get the pony started?
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Fri, Dec 19, 2008 11:23 AM
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are you disengaging the pinion cluch lever when you try to restart and also releasing the diesel compression lever
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Fri, Dec 19, 2008 11:56 AM
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are you disengaging the pinion cluch lever when you try to restart and also releasing the diesel compression lever
Your pinion clutch may be adjusted a bit tighter than necessary or the oil may be thicker than needed, or both.

Anyway, if you want to pursue it, you can flush the clutch compartment with diesel and drain, then refill with ATF. The adjustment can be fairly loose and still turn the diesel fine.

You can also open the small cover over the pinion on the clutch housing and punch one of the spring loaded latches to release the pinion.
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Fri, Dec 19, 2008 12:25 PM
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Reply to ccjersey:
Your pinion clutch may be adjusted a bit tighter than necessary or the oil may be thicker than needed, or both.

Anyway, if you want to pursue it, you can flush the clutch compartment with diesel and drain, then refill with ATF. The adjustment can be fairly loose and still turn the diesel fine.

You can also open the small cover over the pinion on the clutch housing and punch one of the spring loaded latches to release the pinion.
Each time you go to start your pony, the pinion clutch should be disengaged. Once you get the pony running make sure that the decompression lever is pulled on the main before engaging the pinion clutch. This should be pulled out towards you. The pony should be able to turn the main over with no compression fairly easy. Let the pony turn the main until you get oil pressure in the main. Then release the decompression lever so that the main has compression.(push it in) I like to let my pony turn over the main with compression for at least a minute, longer if it is cold out. Lastly, throw some fuel to it. Should fire right off.
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Fri, Dec 19, 2008 9:13 PM
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Thanks guys. I'll try positioning the clutch to disengage the diesel but not so far that it acts as a brake on the pony. Upon reading, I'm not sure why I didn't think of that on my own. 😕

Current temp is 14 F, and warmup is taking me much longer than a minute. I think I'm on the 10-15 minutes of warmup with compression to get her started. Any reason why I shouldn't be using starting fluid on her? (no glow plugs to destroy) I really don't want to run the pony longer than needed as it has an oil leak while running and I don't want to deal with that until warmer weather.
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Fri, Dec 19, 2008 10:33 PM
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Reply to putsplut:
Thanks guys. I'll try positioning the clutch to disengage the diesel but not so far that it acts as a brake on the pony. Upon reading, I'm not sure why I didn't think of that on my own. 😕

Current temp is 14 F, and warmup is taking me much longer than a minute. I think I'm on the 10-15 minutes of warmup with compression to get her started. Any reason why I shouldn't be using starting fluid on her? (no glow plugs to destroy) I really don't want to run the pony longer than needed as it has an oil leak while running and I don't want to deal with that until warmer weather.
Yes you can use a little snort of ether after it,s warmed up some and still won,t fire. Just take the can with the engine turning over and give it a couple short snorts in the air cleaner intake and it should fire then. Don,t keep giving it ether if it doesn,t fire right off as you could put it to sleep (lock it up) and the engine won,t turn over at least till you release the compression and turn over some after you wait a few minutes or less.There has been so much negative talk about ether but you have to know how to use it and then no trouble. Here in my area when coal strippings was big and the operators had to use it all the time on the really cold mornings and as an engine mechanic at the Cat dealer I rebuilt lots of their engines at the shop and never saw even one that showed any effects from using ether. Cat even had an ether aid on new tractors years ago so if it was so bad they sure wouldn,t have put them on the new engines.Again just use ether after you have turned the diesel over for awhile with compression on and if it doesn,t fire up when you pull the throttle on give it the ether snort.
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Fri, Dec 19, 2008 10:57 PM
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Yes you can use a little snort of ether after it,s warmed up some and still won,t fire. Just take the can with the engine turning over and give it a couple short snorts in the air cleaner intake and it should fire then. Don,t keep giving it ether if it doesn,t fire right off as you could put it to sleep (lock it up) and the engine won,t turn over at least till you release the compression and turn over some after you wait a few minutes or less.There has been so much negative talk about ether but you have to know how to use it and then no trouble. Here in my area when coal strippings was big and the operators had to use it all the time on the really cold mornings and as an engine mechanic at the Cat dealer I rebuilt lots of their engines at the shop and never saw even one that showed any effects from using ether. Cat even had an ether aid on new tractors years ago so if it was so bad they sure wouldn,t have put them on the new engines.Again just use ether after you have turned the diesel over for awhile with compression on and if it doesn,t fire up when you pull the throttle on give it the ether snort.
How many levers does your tractor have?
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Sat, Dec 20, 2008 1:25 AM
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How many levers does your tractor have?
Ah, how to count levers? I have a decompression lever, a main diesel throttle with detent, the pony clutch/brake lever, and the pinion lever. Then we get into levers you aren't interesting in like steering...

Mine does not have a lever at the diesel governor like I see in the operators manual.
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Sat, Dec 20, 2008 2:39 AM
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Ah, how to count levers? I have a decompression lever, a main diesel throttle with detent, the pony clutch/brake lever, and the pinion lever. Then we get into levers you aren't interesting in like steering...

Mine does not have a lever at the diesel governor like I see in the operators manual.
that happened to me one day.I started the poney up,but as soon as i ingaged the diesel the poney ran out of power.
The problem was that the transmission was in neutral,but the clutch was engaged.The thick oil in the transmission was too much for the pony to turn over.Alway's make sure clutch is not ingaged.
JUST A THOUGHT COMPRESSOR
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Sat, Dec 20, 2008 7:59 AM
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that happened to me one day.I started the poney up,but as soon as i ingaged the diesel the poney ran out of power.
The problem was that the transmission was in neutral,but the clutch was engaged.The thick oil in the transmission was too much for the pony to turn over.Alway's make sure clutch is not ingaged.
JUST A THOUGHT COMPRESSOR
I'll be adding disengage main clutch to my startup procedure then. I've been leaving the clutch engaged with the transmission in neutral.
The cat started pretty well this morning. I'd guess I was in the 10 minutes total from untarping to ready to plow. I have it in an unheated shop, tarped with a space heater underneath. Thanks for the reply.
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Sat, Dec 20, 2008 8:37 AM
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Reply to putsplut:
I'll be adding disengage main clutch to my startup procedure then. I've been leaving the clutch engaged with the transmission in neutral.
The cat started pretty well this morning. I'd guess I was in the 10 minutes total from untarping to ready to plow. I have it in an unheated shop, tarped with a space heater underneath. Thanks for the reply.
puts,
you're doing it right, leave it in neutral with the clutch engaged so the transmission is turning and the pilot bearing in the flywheel isn't (clutch is engaged).

Maybe except for starting it up in very cold weather.

the recommendation is to keep someone from hitting the main clutch lever by mistake and running over themselves or someone else. Not having the clutch pilot bearing turning avoids the possibility of it seizing and the tractor taking off on it's own if it was in gear.
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