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Started adding direct start to the D4 7U today, After Caleb(YeLLowIroN came over and helped me pull start it so I could get it in the shop. First I removed the heavy canopy the previous owner had added to it. Then moved it into the shop and got started. After marking and measuring several times, I started cutting with a 3 3/4 hole saw. Forever later, I finally got the hole cut out. Then drilled the first hole that holds the starter and got it tapped. Hopefully in the morning I will get the last two holes drilled and tapped so the starter can be installed. An going with a 50 mt starter, just because the price was right. Bought the starter drive and nose cone from a local oilfield starter shop, got the drive for about $50, and the nose cone for $22. I am doing this so I can use it until my money tree blooms good enough to rebuild the pony.
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Hi, My name is Dennis, and I am a Rust-a-holic!

D4 7U17091 D6 8U10305 1926 Cat 30 1955 Ford T800, 74 Ford LT9000 1936 K Allis
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Sun, Feb 20, 2011 9:57 AM
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Worked some more on it today, now to relocate the fuel line and clock the selonoid up, played around with it to see if I could make it fit without moving the fuel line, but this is the only position I could get it, and still get in all 3 bolts in. Quite a chore to get the starter in place by myself. Now I will try to let my aching body recover until next weekend, and try to get it finished. Still a few things to pick up this week so I will have everything ready to finish up.

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Hi, My name is Dennis, and I am a Rust-a-holic!

D4 7U17091 D6 8U10305 1926 Cat 30 1955 Ford T800, 74 Ford LT9000 1936 K Allis
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Mon, Feb 21, 2011 9:03 AM
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Worked some more on it today, now to relocate the fuel line and clock the selonoid up, played around with it to see if I could make it fit without moving the fuel line, but this is the only position I could get it, and still get in all 3 bolts in. Quite a chore to get the starter in place by myself. Now I will try to let my aching body recover until next weekend, and try to get it finished. Still a few things to pick up this week so I will have everything ready to finish up.

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I got back on the d4 this weekend, first re-routing the fuel line, had to un soilder the end on the line to get it through the holes it was routed through, then resoilder it. Had to take the seat tank loose and lift it to get access to the line. After getting everything (seat tank) back in place and bolted down, the line leaked, so back apart, and found the soilder did not stick to the steek end. Resoildered it, but it did not stick again, so got out the brass and braised the end on, leak fixed. Ended up, I would not have had to re-route the fuel line, because I ended up clocking the selenoid down, for the best fit, but did not pay attention to what Ol Grump said about putting in the bolt before putting on the nose cone, so had to take it apart and do that. Made up 2-0 battery cables, mounted the battery box, wired up the batteries and new starter switch. Pushed the button, and she started cranking. Spun it for a couple minutes, then added fuel, and she fired up pretty easy. Now to replace the hydraulic hoses, fuel filters, and oil, and re-attach the cutting edge on the blade. Almost ready for the Fling in May!!!!
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Hi, My name is Dennis, and I am a Rust-a-holic!

D4 7U17091 D6 8U10305 1926 Cat 30 1955 Ford T800, 74 Ford LT9000 1936 K Allis
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Mon, Feb 28, 2011 11:47 AM
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I got back on the d4 this weekend, first re-routing the fuel line, had to un soilder the end on the line to get it through the holes it was routed through, then resoilder it. Had to take the seat tank loose and lift it to get access to the line. After getting everything (seat tank) back in place and bolted down, the line leaked, so back apart, and found the soilder did not stick to the steek end. Resoildered it, but it did not stick again, so got out the brass and braised the end on, leak fixed. Ended up, I would not have had to re-route the fuel line, because I ended up clocking the selenoid down, for the best fit, but did not pay attention to what Ol Grump said about putting in the bolt before putting on the nose cone, so had to take it apart and do that. Made up 2-0 battery cables, mounted the battery box, wired up the batteries and new starter switch. Pushed the button, and she started cranking. Spun it for a couple minutes, then added fuel, and she fired up pretty easy. Now to replace the hydraulic hoses, fuel filters, and oil, and re-attach the cutting edge on the blade. Almost ready for the Fling in May!!!!
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Solenoid mounting housing can be indexed straight up but takes a little grinding to get the bolt hole indexing required. I'd be concerned about getting to close to the spring in the down position.
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Mon, Feb 28, 2011 1:34 PM
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I got back on the d4 this weekend, first re-routing the fuel line, had to un soilder the end on the line to get it through the holes it was routed through, then resoilder it. Had to take the seat tank loose and lift it to get access to the line. After getting everything (seat tank) back in place and bolted down, the line leaked, so back apart, and found the soilder did not stick to the steek end. Resoildered it, but it did not stick again, so got out the brass and braised the end on, leak fixed. Ended up, I would not have had to re-route the fuel line, because I ended up clocking the selenoid down, for the best fit, but did not pay attention to what Ol Grump said about putting in the bolt before putting on the nose cone, so had to take it apart and do that. Made up 2-0 battery cables, mounted the battery box, wired up the batteries and new starter switch. Pushed the button, and she started cranking. Spun it for a couple minutes, then added fuel, and she fired up pretty easy. Now to replace the hydraulic hoses, fuel filters, and oil, and re-attach the cutting edge on the blade. Almost ready for the Fling in May!!!!
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A few volts Working the starter 12 or 24

How ignition in the morning when it's cold
How long the starter turn the engine before ignition

Why not install Dynustrter on the The little engine

What auxiliary heating system you are using the estate ignition

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itzik
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A few volts Working the starter 12 or 24

How ignition in the morning when it's cold
How long the starter turn the engine before ignition

Why not install Dynustrter on the The little engine

What auxiliary heating system you are using the estate ignition

tnx
itzik
O M, I was a bit concerned at first about the solenoid being down too but after a year of being out in the woods and brush with mine, I've found no problem with it. My main problems have been with the occasional limb slapping me or jillpokes trying to come in the canopy with me. Guess it's time to add side and front screens to it. Yup, nothing brings ya back to reality faster'n a branch slapping the safety glasses and tin lid off 😆
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Mon, Feb 28, 2011 10:03 PM
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A few volts Working the starter 12 or 24

How ignition in the morning when it's cold
How long the starter turn the engine before ignition

Why not install Dynustrter on the The little engine

What auxiliary heating system you are using the estate ignition

tnx
itzik
Old Magnet, I think the spring would have to break before it could ever cause a problem, as there is almost 8 inches of clearance, plus it is close to the motor.

4x6, it is 24 volt starter, hooked up to 2 12 volt truck batteries, I don't know how it will start in the cold yet, some have said it takes just a whif of starting fluid.. I have an electric start on the pony motor, but the pony started knocking, so the direct start was the cheaper route for me until I have the money to rebuild the pony.
Hi, My name is Dennis, and I am a Rust-a-holic!

D4 7U17091 D6 8U10305 1926 Cat 30 1955 Ford T800, 74 Ford LT9000 1936 K Allis
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Mon, Feb 28, 2011 10:29 PM
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O M, I was a bit concerned at first about the solenoid being down too but after a year of being out in the woods and brush with mine, I've found no problem with it. My main problems have been with the occasional limb slapping me or jillpokes trying to come in the canopy with me. Guess it's time to add side and front screens to it. Yup, nothing brings ya back to reality faster'n a branch slapping the safety glasses and tin lid off 😆
Yup, no problem at all.......until ya knock the solenoid housing clean off the starter.....seen it happen. Being of the fussy sort it would bother me no end to have it mounted upside down.....especially when it is not that difficult to mount it verticle like factory Cat. The picture of the nose housing did remind me that some additional indexing holes are required to get the required indexing though. A good starter rebuild shop should have and indexed drill jig for this purpose although I made my own...pretty critical tolerances to get the correct hole alignment.
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Mon, Feb 28, 2011 10:34 PM
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Yup, no problem at all.......until ya knock the solenoid housing clean off the starter.....seen it happen. Being of the fussy sort it would bother me no end to have it mounted upside down.....especially when it is not that difficult to mount it verticle like factory Cat. The picture of the nose housing did remind me that some additional indexing holes are required to get the required indexing though. A good starter rebuild shop should have and indexed drill jig for this purpose although I made my own...pretty critical tolerances to get the correct hole alignment.
Next time I have it off I will see if I can get it drilled so I can set it up the other way. I ran out of time, and had to get it out of the shop, as paying customers are wanting stuff done.
Hi, My name is Dennis, and I am a Rust-a-holic!

D4 7U17091 D6 8U10305 1926 Cat 30 1955 Ford T800, 74 Ford LT9000 1936 K Allis
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Mon, Feb 28, 2011 11:42 PM
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Next time I have it off I will see if I can get it drilled so I can set it up the other way. I ran out of time, and had to get it out of the shop, as paying customers are wanting stuff done.
Never enough time to do it right.....always enough time to do it over. But I understand, you got to pay to play so paying clients come first.
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Tue, Mar 1, 2011 12:29 AM
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Never enough time to do it right.....always enough time to do it over. But I understand, you got to pay to play so paying clients come first.
Dennis---will the engine side panel still fit on and give you protection from limbs and the track going off to the inside?
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