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Split rims.....with no split?

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66gg1tnc
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Guys

Getting ready to change the tires on my '49 112 and noticed one front wheel doesn't have the split in the lock ring. The other one does. Both have the notch for the tire spoon. All 4 drive wheels have the split. Just the left front with no apparent way to remove it! All the tires are shredded so getting them off isn't a big deal.

I'm assuming there will be enough "slop" to pry the ring off.....or is there?

The local big rig tire shop is doing the work and I told 'em it's got split rims.

This is the only pic I have online at the moment....

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/p...77458090&ref=mf

I'll put it up on picturetrail tonight then everybody can see it.
Rob

'74 Plymouth Voyager PB300 Sportsman
'64 Chrysler 300
'47 Farmall H
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Wed, Feb 4, 2009 8:16 AM
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Rob
Some rings are oval shaped on the inside lip. Push the tire back on the rim so that you can see the ring. Then tilt the ring so that it drops on one side and slide it off. The trick is to get the tire back far as you can.
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Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:36 AM
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I dunno if its the the same but I have a '55 forklift with 16" drive tires on unsplit split rims (OK guys what do we call them???) and I was puzzled too. The ID of the ring has a cut-out area that is enuff to get them off the rim.

My tire guy hated them and charged me $75 to put a used tire on one 😞
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Wed, Feb 4, 2009 9:39 AM
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Reply to carlsharp:
I dunno if its the the same but I have a '55 forklift with 16" drive tires on unsplit split rims (OK guys what do we call them???) and I was puzzled too. The ID of the ring has a cut-out area that is enuff to get them off the rim.

My tire guy hated them and charged me $75 to put a used tire on one 😞
I know them as a "stretch splits" and as Carl states, the tire guys hate them, most will not touch them, and the others ask to never bring them back.
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Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:02 AM
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Reply to josh:
I know them as a "stretch splits" and as Carl states, the tire guys hate them, most will not touch them, and the others ask to never bring them back.
Wrap chains around the tire and rim if you don't have a cage for them so if something slips you can controle the disaster
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Wed, Feb 4, 2009 11:20 AM
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Reply to 1931tim:
Wrap chains around the tire and rim if you don't have a cage for them so if something slips you can controle the disaster
Thanks Guys

The guy they send out on service calls is "experianced" according to the shop owner......didn't bat an eye when I told him what he would be working on. The solid lock ring might be a different story. The last time I saw somebody work on a split rim was my '52 Dodge M-37. We put it under the truck, backed off a ways THEN filled it with air.


I'll assume the rim will accept a standard split lock ring if I can find one? I'd rather not have to deal with a solid ring again.
Rob

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'64 Chrysler 300
'47 Farmall H
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Wed, Feb 4, 2009 1:21 PM
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Thanks Guys

The guy they send out on service calls is "experianced" according to the shop owner......didn't bat an eye when I told him what he would be working on. The solid lock ring might be a different story. The last time I saw somebody work on a split rim was my '52 Dodge M-37. We put it under the truck, backed off a ways THEN filled it with air.


I'll assume the rim will accept a standard split lock ring if I can find one? I'd rather not have to deal with a solid ring again.
On the split rims, in changing it to another type of bead side ring, it is safer to change out the whole wheel to another wheel using a different style side ring, than to live dangerously by putting the wrong type side ring on the wrong type of wheel. I was in the tire business from 1963 to 1973. More guys have been killed in tire shops by split rims blowing apart than by any other cause. Do it correctly, or not at all.
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Wed, Feb 4, 2009 2:16 PM
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On the split rims, in changing it to another type of bead side ring, it is safer to change out the whole wheel to another wheel using a different style side ring, than to live dangerously by putting the wrong type side ring on the wrong type of wheel. I was in the tire business from 1963 to 1973. More guys have been killed in tire shops by split rims blowing apart than by any other cause. Do it correctly, or not at all.
Roger that....thanks.
Rob

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Thu, Feb 5, 2009 12:24 AM
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There are 2 different style split rims, one has 3 pieces and the othe only 2. The 2 piece is the wheel and a split locking wring to go into the groove. the other is the wheel, a solid ring for the bead to hit against and then the split lock ring that fits in the groove. either way you need to drive the bead back to get the rings out. The tire guy will have everything needed including a hydraulic operated bead breaker. These wheels are not a problem as long as they are not rusted to crap. The groove that the lock rings fit into needs to be in good condition and the ring needs to be in good condition also. They will seat nicely once cleaned up. The reason they blow is they are inflated to fast and the ring is not seated properly before they are totally inflated. Over inflation is the other problem.
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Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:05 AM
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What did you end up finding for tires for this jem? I had some good luck & was able to find 2 new 7.50 - 24 tires for the front of my 112, but can't find any 10.00 - 24 for the back. Found a set of used ones in Oklahoma but the guy never answered my email. I'll keep looking.
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Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:50 AM
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What did you end up finding for tires for this jem? I had some good luck & was able to find 2 new 7.50 - 24 tires for the front of my 112, but can't find any 10.00 - 24 for the back. Found a set of used ones in Oklahoma but the guy never answered my email. I'll keep looking.
I found two used 7.00X24's at Lucas Tire in Long Beach Ca. He had one or two more but not in as good a shape. They're actually 38X7 12 ply Fire truck tires. Also got tubes and flaps from the same place. It was fun squeezing them in the back of my Jeep!
Rob

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'64 Chrysler 300
'47 Farmall H
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Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:50 AM
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