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Spark problem D2 cat. Poney.

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1canoeman1
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I had this thing running about 6mo. ago, it had sat for years before that, but now it wont start. it has weak to no spark. I took out the points and condenser and took them to a friend that rebuilds Mags. condenser tested o.k. and he filed the points. I put it back and set the points to 14 thou. according to the book. I have spark if I ground the plug wire to the block but not when I touch it to the plug. When I pull the plug ,connect the wire and ground the plug, it then sparks thru the plug??? I tried looking at old posts but did not find this problem. I sure need help with this. Thank you.
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Sat, Nov 23, 2013 5:39 AM
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When you try to jump a spark to the terminal of an installed plug, the current has to jump two gaps, the one to the terminal and the one between the center post and the shell. If you get a nice blue spark to ground or in the plug when it is out and grounded, you have good spark.

A really hot mag would jump a blue spark to the terminal with the plug installed, but if it doesn't look so hot that way, it still is probably good enough.
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Sat, Nov 23, 2013 6:42 AM
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Reply to Jim Davis:
When you try to jump a spark to the terminal of an installed plug, the current has to jump two gaps, the one to the terminal and the one between the center post and the shell. If you get a nice blue spark to ground or in the plug when it is out and grounded, you have good spark.

A really hot mag would jump a blue spark to the terminal with the plug installed, but if it doesn't look so hot that way, it still is probably good enough.
Got to ask if you have wire core sparkplug cables?
NOT automotive carbon/glass wires.
Then need to be sure you are using the correct sparkplugs? ie:non-resistor
Then everyone needs to remember that the Magneto on D2/D4's do not have a snap type coupler to give them extra umph when turning over.
Hence the strength of the spark is based on how fast you can spin the pony.
Which means you really will have a hard time testing spark gaps alone.
You need to recruit your least favorite friend to hold the wire while you pull the rope! 😆
Usually like Jim says, it will have a hard time jumping 2 gaps when testing.
Final thought is are these the same sparkplugs as before?
Maybe they are fouled?(condensation, moisture, carbon, gas or oil)
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Sat, Nov 23, 2013 7:53 PM
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recheck your point gap, maybe even make it a little tighter, like 12 thou.
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Sat, Nov 23, 2013 10:06 PM
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Reply to rmyram:
recheck your point gap, maybe even make it a little tighter, like 12 thou.
Change the spark plugs if you have some spares and then try. I bought a spark tester that clamps on to the engine with spring clip. Works good for testing the spark and you don't need a helper to use it.
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Sun, Nov 24, 2013 9:20 PM
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Change the spark plugs if you have some spares and then try. I bought a spark tester that clamps on to the engine with spring clip. Works good for testing the spark and you don't need a helper to use it.
Thank you Jim Davis,drujinin, rmyram, and fordhook for your help. I have copper wire but I did not know about the spark having to jump two gaps, also that faster rpm gives more spark. The tester sounds like a good idea but drujinin cracked me up with his idea of his least favorite friend holding the plug wire. I will check the points gap again and close them a little to see if it helps. one last thing what is the best plug to use for this pony?

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Thu, Nov 28, 2013 11:28 PM
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Reply to 1canoeman1:
Thank you Jim Davis,drujinin, rmyram, and fordhook for your help. I have copper wire but I did not know about the spark having to jump two gaps, also that faster rpm gives more spark. The tester sounds like a good idea but drujinin cracked me up with his idea of his least favorite friend holding the plug wire. I will check the points gap again and close them a little to see if it helps. one last thing what is the best plug to use for this pony?

1canoeman1
I like autolite 386 for my pony's
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Fri, Nov 29, 2013 12:38 AM
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Not sure if they are the same but i am running NGK ab6 plugs on my 9u ponies, they are the large thread plugs, i ahve seen some ponies with the smaller thread plugs. I'm sure someone with a d2 or d4 will chime in with what works for them, pretty sure your local parts supplier can supply a plug as long as it is the ones that cause interference with radio stations it should be good, Pretty sure they are caled non resistor plugs, I purchased mine at the local NAPA store, they had them in stock.
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Fri, Nov 29, 2013 12:43 AM
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Not sure if they are the same but i am running NGK ab6 plugs on my 9u ponies, they are the large thread plugs, i ahve seen some ponies with the smaller thread plugs. I'm sure someone with a d2 or d4 will chime in with what works for them, pretty sure your local parts supplier can supply a plug as long as it is the ones that cause interference with radio stations it should be good, Pretty sure they are caled non resistor plugs, I purchased mine at the local NAPA store, they had them in stock.
Thank you all for the plug info.Different plugs will be the next thing I try. I have never owned a Cat before so this site has been a huge help.

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Fri, Nov 29, 2013 5:57 AM
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Reply to 1canoeman1:
Thank you all for the plug info.Different plugs will be the next thing I try. I have never owned a Cat before so this site has been a huge help.

1canoeman1
Hi Team,
have found some good info from an old Service Reporter April 1960.
Hope it helps someone out.
Note my prefered plug gap of around 0.022" for use with our old depleted insulation quality magneto coils.
Get these while they are up. They may be suitable for the Service Library.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Sat, Nov 30, 2013 11:28 AM
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Reply to edb:
Hi Team,
have found some good info from an old Service Reporter April 1960.
Hope it helps someone out.
Note my prefered plug gap of around 0.022" for use with our old depleted insulation quality magneto coils.
Get these while they are up. They may be suitable for the Service Library.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Thanks edlb,very helpful. I guess I will have to break down a purchase a service manual. $ starts to add up in a hurry.


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