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Tim Matthews
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I went through my fuel system new pumps cleaned n tested nozzles set the govenor and pumps new filters n cleaned housing, new relief spring.

Has pretty good power but who am I to judge, had an old hand operate it he said it ran good.
My question is should I ever get any good streams of black smoke like I see on other machines?
My fuel pump pressure is low at idle but is good but not real good at high idle.
I have a primer pump that I can increase the pressure but there still is no differance,
Just wondering is it running right or should she belch some?
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Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:35 PM
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Tim,

Seems like you have a good engine and unobstructed air cleaner.

Get in an area that is not loose sand and doze together at least 3 good bladefulls of dirt, then open the throttle wide open, and start moving the big pile in 1 st gear so that the tractor is barely moving and not spinning the tracks. This should be enough load to load the tractor. You will see a hint of black smoke. If it is after dark, you will see slight flame out of the stack when the engine lugs down and goes to work.

Tell us what you see.

Thomas
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Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:22 AM
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Tim,

Seems like you have a good engine and unobstructed air cleaner.

Get in an area that is not loose sand and doze together at least 3 good bladefulls of dirt, then open the throttle wide open, and start moving the big pile in 1 st gear so that the tractor is barely moving and not spinning the tracks. This should be enough load to load the tractor. You will see a hint of black smoke. If it is after dark, you will see slight flame out of the stack when the engine lugs down and goes to work.

Tell us what you see.

Thomas
If the old girl will spin the tracks in first gear, or if the pads are well worn, just about spin in second gear, there is not much wrong with the engine, that black smoke is incompletely burned, and therefore, wasted fuel, which will also increase engine wear. The old D9G and D8H would black smoke if you opened the throttle with a load already in front, but, most machines only heavily smoke if they are well worn or someone has been fdidling with the fuel pump settings.
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Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:42 AM
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Some of the first turbocharged engines were likely to smoke when you opened the throttle.

Anaeroid controls were added to many of them to limit the fuel (rack travel) until boost pressure built up. I remember SJ mentioning that these were a common problem on the D342/???? (truck engines) that used to come into their shop. A blown diaphragm in the control would prevent full fuel delivery under load.

Your tractor might benefit from a new governor spring etc. but from your description, that would only be fine tuning.

From my experience, if the governor is responsive so that you can operate at part throttle and it keeps you from choking down as load changes from turning, applying brake, going up slopes etc. then yours is in pretty good shape.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:06 AM
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Reply to ccjersey:
Some of the first turbocharged engines were likely to smoke when you opened the throttle.

Anaeroid controls were added to many of them to limit the fuel (rack travel) until boost pressure built up. I remember SJ mentioning that these were a common problem on the D342/???? (truck engines) that used to come into their shop. A blown diaphragm in the control would prevent full fuel delivery under load.

Your tractor might benefit from a new governor spring etc. but from your description, that would only be fine tuning.

From my experience, if the governor is responsive so that you can operate at part throttle and it keeps you from choking down as load changes from turning, applying brake, going up slopes etc. then yours is in pretty good shape.
The old Mack engines used to have puff limiters on them too. The cowboys would take them off thinking it gave more power because it let the engine belch black smoke - all it did was slow down how quickly the fuel rate increased, giving the turbo time to spool up. It didn't limit the max fuel rate unless it was malfunctioning. Looked cool though ; )
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Neil
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Sun, Mar 10, 2013 3:38 AM
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Reply to neil:
The old Mack engines used to have puff limiters on them too. The cowboys would take them off thinking it gave more power because it let the engine belch black smoke - all it did was slow down how quickly the fuel rate increased, giving the turbo time to spool up. It didn't limit the max fuel rate unless it was malfunctioning. Looked cool though ; )
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Neil
You flatlanders...
take her up to 9000 ft...she'll smoke all you want...👋
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Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:33 PM
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Reply to neil:
The old Mack engines used to have puff limiters on them too. The cowboys would take them off thinking it gave more power because it let the engine belch black smoke - all it did was slow down how quickly the fuel rate increased, giving the turbo time to spool up. It didn't limit the max fuel rate unless it was malfunctioning. Looked cool though ; )
Cheers,
Neil
Thomas: its running just as you say ,slight smoke and fire in the stack.
Catsilver: It will break the tracks loose from the ground.
CCjersey; I did install a new governor spring.Seems to be working fair. Had a friend operate it he said to keep it loaded up when I am working so it doesnt have to suddenly respond .
Thanks for the replys Tim
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Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:37 PM
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