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R4catkid
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Hi, I am interested in the educated and past expierenced accumulated knowledge that may be found on this board to head me on the right path. I am about to head out into the real world, as I am a senior in highschool and would like to eventually persue a career in heavy equiptment. As long as I can remember, my parents, my brother and I have watched over and taken care of my Dads life long childhood neighbor and best friend. As a young boy, I grew up with his father, as both of mine passed before I was a twinkle, and he was a great figure of influence. As a young boy, he let me get on his D6c, and showed me the ropes, unfortunately passing on himself when I was 9... leaving me with a R4 6G with 90+% undercarrige and life time access to his almost 1000 acres of Northern California Redwood forest, and permission to run the D6c...

After I graduate this year, I have decided that college is not directly right for my next step, and love operating all sorts of everything, and have been on quite a bit... so far never breaking anything!... I have plans for the imediate future as I will be spending the summer farming with my god father in Oregon, and then need to go build a house on the California property as unfortunately, the big house on our place built in the 70's by my great-god-father burned to the ground, taking a 53 Willys Jeep, 1776 VW Sandrail and Atv with it.....their is still a old redwood cabin, but we have work to do!!!....

After this, I would like to get into big machinery operation and would like any and all advice about geting into such a position. I believe many of you have been in similar predicaments and may be able to shed some light on my path.... I am unsure of what general level of school/licenses/accredations are necessary to prove your self to a worthy employer, what they would like to see, and how to eventually go about doing all the other major things to get their....

Thanks so much, I realize this is long, but its a HUGH question!!!...
Thanks, -Robert
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Robert, you need to redo your photos as when clicked on, they remain thumbnail size. 640 by 480 is a good size to use on the bb.

After you put up the larger photos, we will all enjoy looking at them!

I read your story and I'm sure you will receive appropriate responses here.

GWH
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ol Grump
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Robert, you need to redo your photos as when clicked on, they remain thumbnail size. 640 by 480 is a good size to use on the bb.

After you put up the larger photos, we will all enjoy looking at them!

I read your story and I'm sure you will receive appropriate responses here.

GWH
R4catkid,

I think if I were you and could find the financing, I'd plan on college. With your desire to be around equipment, civil engineering might be a good option. To me, it seems to be the best of both worlds. Fair pay plus you'd already have some experience in operating machinery (and this make a big difference when you're telling some old phart what to do), unlike a lot of young guys who only have college edimacation but no absolutely no practical experience or sense.

A year or so between high school and college can be very valuable. You'll learn a good work ethic and hopefully not spend all the time partying. Don't make the same mistake I did, I went straight to work from high school for a few years, then after marriage I decided to further my education. In classes I was the one who'd tell the yahoos screwing off to either shut the f*** up or get the hell out. I was there to learn! It's rough trying to work, raise a family and school all at the same time.
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R4catkid,

I think if I were you and could find the financing, I'd plan on college. With your desire to be around equipment, civil engineering might be a good option. To me, it seems to be the best of both worlds. Fair pay plus you'd already have some experience in operating machinery (and this make a big difference when you're telling some old phart what to do), unlike a lot of young guys who only have college edimacation but no absolutely no practical experience or sense.

A year or so between high school and college can be very valuable. You'll learn a good work ethic and hopefully not spend all the time partying. Don't make the same mistake I did, I went straight to work from high school for a few years, then after marriage I decided to further my education. In classes I was the one who'd tell the yahoos screwing off to either shut the f*** up or get the hell out. I was there to learn! It's rough trying to work, raise a family and school all at the same time.
I gotta go with oldgrump......go to school. I went to work right out of high school. Unlike grump I wasn't willing to go back to school so I joined the Army. Well I stay there for 20 years, playing around on tanks. I'm 53, 70% disabled all service connected, pop pills and hurt everyday. Now I really wish I had gone back to school!

Rick
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I gotta go with oldgrump......go to school. I went to work right out of high school. Unlike grump I wasn't willing to go back to school so I joined the Army. Well I stay there for 20 years, playing around on tanks. I'm 53, 70% disabled all service connected, pop pills and hurt everyday. Now I really wish I had gone back to school!

Rick
Robert--College is the way to go!! I bought my first machine, an R2 at 16 when i as a junior in high school--got convinced by friends and family to go to college and always have that to fall back on!--So i went and got a BS degree in civil engineering, working part time with my machine for partying money, and working for my uncle summers in the paving business. Graduated college and started my masters degree at night while becomming a teamster driving a truck on interstate highway work. Leaned all the ways that contractors could cheat on construction jobs. Then went to work for a county muncipality as a structural civil engineer and the practical knowledge i had put me miles ahead of the other engineers on abilitys and promotions. Had machines just about all my life and am really enjoying them now that i am retired, and still do occasional consulting engineering jobs--licensed in two states.
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Robert--College is the way to go!! I bought my first machine, an R2 at 16 when i as a junior in high school--got convinced by friends and family to go to college and always have that to fall back on!--So i went and got a BS degree in civil engineering, working part time with my machine for partying money, and working for my uncle summers in the paving business. Graduated college and started my masters degree at night while becomming a teamster driving a truck on interstate highway work. Leaned all the ways that contractors could cheat on construction jobs. Then went to work for a county muncipality as a structural civil engineer and the practical knowledge i had put me miles ahead of the other engineers on abilitys and promotions. Had machines just about all my life and am really enjoying them now that i am retired, and still do occasional consulting engineering jobs--licensed in two states.
Get A background in electronics with good computer skills. electronics touches all aspects of logging and construction
I have ran equipment all my life but did not finish high school. I could no longer work for one big company that i put in 18 years with
it hit home while reading about hiring practices in a logging publication where an employer said he would rather have people with electronics skills than a lot of operating experience
Butch
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Get A background in electronics with good computer skills. electronics touches all aspects of logging and construction
I have ran equipment all my life but did not finish high school. I could no longer work for one big company that i put in 18 years with
it hit home while reading about hiring practices in a logging publication where an employer said he would rather have people with electronics skills than a lot of operating experience
Butch
Robert,

Feel free to call me, my # is 415-720-5936. I own a construction company. Feel free to look at my web site www.TeamGhilotti.com -glen ghilotti
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Robert,

Feel free to call me, my # is 415-720-5936. I own a construction company. Feel free to look at my web site www.TeamGhilotti.com -glen ghilotti
I grew Farming and working in the small oil patches up around Bradford PA. Went in the Military for 5 years. Got out and spent 6 years survivng on low pay at various non-education required jobs. Went to school and got a Degree in Electrical Engineering while working part time. Majored in Power Distribution so I would be on the Generatoring side. Over the years, I have worked for a couple of Major Engine manufacturers and am currently employed at a Gen-Set packager. I can run virtually any kind of construction machine plus drive trucks and am knowlegable in all manufacturers of equipment because of the wide variety of engines that we put generators on. Where else can you burn up to $150 an hour of someone else's fuel and get paid doing it?
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I'm of the opinion that you should go to school, if you wait a year and work hard that year. It will one up your credibility both in school and in your career after that!
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Its fun having a good wage and a good job so you can afford to buy toys and go to various events around the states because you have the vacation time to do it!
Jeff
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I grew Farming and working in the small oil patches up around Bradford PA. Went in the Military for 5 years. Got out and spent 6 years survivng on low pay at various non-education required jobs. Went to school and got a Degree in Electrical Engineering while working part time. Majored in Power Distribution so I would be on the Generatoring side. Over the years, I have worked for a couple of Major Engine manufacturers and am currently employed at a Gen-Set packager. I can run virtually any kind of construction machine plus drive trucks and am knowlegable in all manufacturers of equipment because of the wide variety of engines that we put generators on. Where else can you burn up to $150 an hour of someone else's fuel and get paid doing it?
😊
I'm of the opinion that you should go to school, if you wait a year and work hard that year. It will one up your credibility both in school and in your career after that!
PS
Its fun having a good wage and a good job so you can afford to buy toys and go to various events around the states because you have the vacation time to do it!
Jeff
Robert,

As has already been said, a degree past High School is always a good thing to have! A BS (4 year) or even a AA degree (2 year Jr. college) will always give you the advantage over the guy with just a HS diploma! Chico State has a BS degree in Construction Management that my neighbor's son graduated from. Now he's a Construction Manager and using his head not his back! That said, if you search your soul and only want to operate equipment here's an idea; http://www.oe3.org/training/california.html. It's the Operating Engineers Local Union #3 website. In Sacramento County they have a well established Apprentice Program for equipment operators. Their website also mentions they have some scholarships that you might apply for; http://www.oe3.org/about/scholarship.html Check it out!

I have no affiliation with the OE3, I just know of their school location, and thought it might be a helpful suggestion. Best of luck to you!

John
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Robert,

As has already been said, a degree past High School is always a good thing to have! A BS (4 year) or even a AA degree (2 year Jr. college) will always give you the advantage over the guy with just a HS diploma! Chico State has a BS degree in Construction Management that my neighbor's son graduated from. Now he's a Construction Manager and using his head not his back! That said, if you search your soul and only want to operate equipment here's an idea; http://www.oe3.org/training/california.html. It's the Operating Engineers Local Union #3 website. In Sacramento County they have a well established Apprentice Program for equipment operators. Their website also mentions they have some scholarships that you might apply for; http://www.oe3.org/about/scholarship.html Check it out!

I have no affiliation with the OE3, I just know of their school location, and thought it might be a helpful suggestion. Best of luck to you!

John
A college education is a very good idea--nearly indispensible if you are planning to be in a decent income class. Just about anybody can learn to drive a machine, some folks better than others. Not everyone has the knowledge to run a fleet!

A couple years of work between HS and college isn't a bad idea, IF you can save for the god-awful cost of college, and IF you can put off getting married and having babies, and IF it turns out that you can screw your courage up enough to get down to studies after a year or two of 40-hr weeks and IF you don't develope a life-long habit of beer and NASCAR or something such by then... You get the idea. Damned few of us can afford a family and an education in that order. Education, then family works.

Use your head. I think you have a good one just from the fact that you're asking. Good luck!
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The Seabee's or Army engineers have some of the best training and experience. Plus it'll force you to work with all types with out being able to just "quit", a trait that will pay you back as you grow older and have to put up with frustrating bosses etc. and you'll travel to all kinds of places...a bit dangerous but what isn't that's exciting and forfilling.(I could think of one thing....) anyway!

I was helicopter crew chief in Honduras and El Salvador in the 80's. From the air I watched both of the above, bulldoze a beautiful road from the Caribean to the southern Honduras border. Those boys were good! And what a great a way to learn, free school, pay, and the very best equipment. Plus they were serving their country. Anyway I wrenched on helicopters, but now I wrench on old tractors, lol!

Just a perspective I saw with my own two eyes from behind the machine guns on a Huey helicopter 1985.

Good luck, John
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