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C.J._archive1
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What are my options since the liners are no longer available for my engine. Mine are worn about .020 difference from top to bottom.
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Mon, Feb 18, 2019 6:36 AM
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Are you sure there are no liners anywhere, aren't they the same as the D2 3J/5J? If there are no liners out there then resleeving the old liners is the obvious choice, new sleeves are not expensive, I was quoted about $US45 a sleeve here in Oz recently for 4-3/4" bore
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Mon, Feb 18, 2019 7:24 AM
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Reply to Mike Meyer:
Are you sure there are no liners anywhere, aren't they the same as the D2 3J/5J? If there are no liners out there then resleeving the old liners is the obvious choice, new sleeves are not expensive, I was quoted about $US45 a sleeve here in Oz recently for 4-3/4" bore
There is a possibility that they would work, just a bout a 1/4 inch shorter and the top looks like they have a groove for the fire ring and the top of the sleeve is chamfered. Don't know how much difference this all makes. The two part numbers are not interchangeable. These are wet sleeves with o rings, you are saying they can be bored a out and a sleeve pressed in?
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Tue, Feb 19, 2019 4:13 AM
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There is a possibility that they would work, just a bout a 1/4 inch shorter and the top looks like they have a groove for the fire ring and the top of the sleeve is chamfered. Don't know how much difference this all makes. The two part numbers are not interchangeable. These are wet sleeves with o rings, you are saying they can be bored a out and a sleeve pressed in?
It is my understanding that wet liners can be fitted with new sleeves, Eddie Bedwell ("edb") talked to me about it a few years back when he noticed I had some old worn out D2 4U liners here, he suggested I hang on to them for re-sleeving if Cat were unable to supply new liners.
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Tue, Feb 19, 2019 4:28 AM
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Reply to Mike Meyer:
It is my understanding that wet liners can be fitted with new sleeves, Eddie Bedwell ("edb") talked to me about it a few years back when he noticed I had some old worn out D2 4U liners here, he suggested I hang on to them for re-sleeving if Cat were unable to supply new liners.
A press fit dry sleeve can be installed into another sleeve if there is plenty of meat to support boring and pressing of the original sleeve.
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Tue, Feb 19, 2019 5:33 AM
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A press fit dry sleeve can be installed into another sleeve if there is plenty of meat to support boring and pressing of the original sleeve.
If you go to that much work why re-bore for a sleeve, just make it all?? WA7OPY
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Tue, Feb 19, 2019 10:25 AM
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If you go to that much work why re-bore for a sleeve, just make it all?? WA7OPY

Hi WA7OPY
What material would you recommend to make a new complete liner.My guess is that a slug of cast, or steel hollow bar would be more expensive than a mass produced steel sleeve that can be purchased off the shelf.
machining the old liner to take the new purchased sleeve is a very straight forward job. But also machining a new complete liner from scratch would be straight forward as well.
Just wondering that's all !
Because I've noticed steel has got expensive lately.
Are the original liners cast steel or cast iron?
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Tue, Feb 19, 2019 5:51 PM
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Reply to Riverina d4:

Hi WA7OPY
What material would you recommend to make a new complete liner.My guess is that a slug of cast, or steel hollow bar would be more expensive than a mass produced steel sleeve that can be purchased off the shelf.
machining the old liner to take the new purchased sleeve is a very straight forward job. But also machining a new complete liner from scratch would be straight forward as well.
Just wondering that's all !
Because I've noticed steel has got expensive lately.
Are the original liners cast steel or cast iron?
I just recently reworked the jugs of a R2/22 and some 30 years ago a 10-20 McCormick. All were bored oversize for the new cylinder liners. Liner cost is about $45 US and up depending on actual size. The sleeves are chilled in dry ice and slid in after the top top is machined and bore honed to size. I have found that there is plenty of meat in the old liners not like modern engine blocks.

Approximate total cost for the 10-20 was $400, a D4 pony $400 the R2/22 was $600 (price increase over the years) The 10-20 was done without removing the old liners. That was done because I did not want to disturb the seal that had formed over time. Nice if you can find NOS but this was my choice.

Good luck
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Tue, Feb 19, 2019 7:19 PM
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The preferred material for cylinder sleeves is centrifugal cast iron tube. If you search online for "spun cast iron" or centrifugal cast sleeve, you will find several vendors. This process produces a high quality tube with fewer defects than traditional static poured molds.
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Tue, Feb 19, 2019 7:59 PM
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The preferred material for cylinder sleeves is centrifugal cast iron tube. If you search online for "spun cast iron" or centrifugal cast sleeve, you will find several vendors. This process produces a high quality tube with fewer defects than traditional static poured molds.
I did not say to machine new ones if you could buy them nos, but if none are available, use spun cast tube and machine them. They would be of lesser quality as cat sleeves were hardened and chilled (real good for wear). Most old engines will never see the usage after they are restored so it doesn't really matter. The liners for my D4 2T D4400 were 150$ from cat and 95$ nos from ww2, you could not buy the spun tubing for that price, but it is doable at the last resort....WA7OPY
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Tue, Feb 19, 2019 10:35 PM
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I did not say to machine new ones if you could buy them nos, but if none are available, use spun cast tube and machine them. They would be of lesser quality as cat sleeves were hardened and chilled (real good for wear). Most old engines will never see the usage after they are restored so it doesn't really matter. The liners for my D4 2T D4400 were 150$ from cat and 95$ nos from ww2, you could not buy the spun tubing for that price, but it is doable at the last resort....WA7OPY
A little advice help on the sleeving of my liners. I checked on sleeving them and cost is around $140 each, but I am not sure as that it will work because of the shape of the top of my liners they are chamfered/beveled on the top there is no place for the sleeve to be held down with the cylinder head. Or is that not necessary? In my opinion the sleeve could come loose and move up and down. I have a picture just need to figure out how to get it here.
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Wed, Feb 20, 2019 5:00 AM
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