ACMOC
Login
ACMOC
Quick question

Quick question

Showing 1 to 10 of 14 results
1
kenmcal
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to kenmcal
Posts: 54
Thank you received: 0
I got the 5T out pushing a little more snow. I have noticed that it don't seem to put out as much black smoke as other Cats I have owned has. Even when its pushing hard and the engine is lugging down, doesn't seem to be much black smoke. Sound normal or does there sound like there is something wrong? I have found one thing that I really don't like about it. The way the throttle linkeage runs down by the floor pans causes a problem because ice builds up there and makes the throttle nearly impossible to operate. Still haven't got much snow yet, having some freaky weather this year. We had a day last week where the overnight low was -21, three days the daytime high was nearly 40. But anyway here is a couple of pictures of the snow ramp that I am building...

Ken
Attachment
Attachment
Attachment
Attachment
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sun, Jan 11, 2009 5:10 AM
Rome K/G
Offline
Send a private message to Rome K/G
Posts: 6,092
Thank you received: 0
Sounds like a good running machine to me!
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sun, Jan 11, 2009 9:33 AM
ccjersey
Offline
Send a private message to ccjersey
Posts: 4,422
Thank you received: 0
If you're not experiencing a lack of power, sounds fine to me too.

If however you have trouble operating it without choking down etc, it's possible the governor isn't responding to load appropriately or even that you may have a fuel supply problem.

You should have some good dense air doing what you're doing, so it should burn clean if the injectors are atomizing the fuel properly.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sun, Jan 11, 2009 10:37 AM
OCB
Offline
Send a private message to OCB
Posts: 56
Thank you received: 0
Reply to Rome K/G:
Sounds like a good running machine to me!
What the purpose of the snow Ramp.
As for the black smoke my 5T doesn't turn the dark smoke ever under any condition but it does get heavier on the hard push.
Good pictures.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sun, Jan 11, 2009 10:40 AM
Billy-
Offline
Send a private message to Billy-
Posts: 189
Thank you received: 0
Reply to OCB:
What the purpose of the snow Ramp.
As for the black smoke my 5T doesn't turn the dark smoke ever under any condition but it does get heavier on the hard push.
Good pictures.
On my 2T when its pushing hard i never see any black smoke coming out the exhuast. When i lug it down almost to stall i still makes barly any smoke.....
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:13 AM
Deas Plant.
Offline
Member
Send a private message to Deas Plant.
Location: Currently - DowNunda.
Posts: 6,638
Thank you received: 11
Reply to Billy-:
On my 2T when its pushing hard i never see any black smoke coming out the exhuast. When i lug it down almost to stall i still makes barly any smoke.....
Hi, Kenmcal.
My understanding is that black smoke is a sign of unburned fuel, which is why it shows up when air filters are dirty and reducing the flow of air to the engine. It is also the reason why early turbo-ed engines gave out that huge cloud of black smoke when the engine was building up revs from idle or near idle.

Many, if not most, un-turbo-ed engines, if properly tuned and well maintained, do not normally tend to give out much black smoke. The first diesel dozer that I operated was a 2T D4 and it didn't give out much smoke at all once it warmed up.

I don't know a whole lot about dealing with snow and ice, not living in an area where we get much of it, but would coating that throttle linkage and/or the floor plates with a heavy grease help to stop the linkage getting bound up by the ice build-up?

Are you planning on doing an Eivel Kneivel from that snow ramp?

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sun, Jan 11, 2009 1:54 PM
skywagon70
Offline
Send a private message to skywagon70
Posts: 29
Thank you received: 0
Reply to Deas Plant.:
Hi, Kenmcal.
My understanding is that black smoke is a sign of unburned fuel, which is why it shows up when air filters are dirty and reducing the flow of air to the engine. It is also the reason why early turbo-ed engines gave out that huge cloud of black smoke when the engine was building up revs from idle or near idle.

Many, if not most, un-turbo-ed engines, if properly tuned and well maintained, do not normally tend to give out much black smoke. The first diesel dozer that I operated was a 2T D4 and it didn't give out much smoke at all once it warmed up.

I don't know a whole lot about dealing with snow and ice, not living in an area where we get much of it, but would coating that throttle linkage and/or the floor plates with a heavy grease help to stop the linkage getting bound up by the ice build-up?

Are you planning on doing an Eivel Kneivel from that snow ramp?
does your machine have a push fan?
If not you might try putting some side curtains on both sides of your engine it will surround the rear portion of the tractor with heat and help keep the master controller toasty also. canvas works good for side curtains and it would not hurt a thing to cover the radiator too ,just keep an eye on the temp gauge
Butch
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sun, Jan 11, 2009 2:47 PM
Billy D7 4T
Offline
Send a private message to Billy D7 4T
Posts: 119
Thank you received: 0
The old naturally aspirated ones did not seem to produce a lot of visible carbon, soot or whatever it is, on those overhead ridge beam dozer kits, the stack always coats the section of the beam above the stack, stack itself will have a thin layer of soot, but I've always taken notice of how clean these appear to run, Caterpillar boasted about this at some time in the past, noting that long running older era engines could keep up or be tuned to keep up with later emission standards, someone may have that ad and be able to post it here. The D-8800 in my D7, will push some black smoke at start up, more white, but not yet warmed up, unburnt fuel. Realizing that these engines were also designed to run on low grade fuels, like some older types of heating oil and similar, you wonder how clean those fuels burned.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sun, Jan 11, 2009 11:38 PM
Old Magnet
Offline
Send a private message to Old Magnet
Posts: 16,694
Thank you received: 16
Reply to Billy D7 4T:
The old naturally aspirated ones did not seem to produce a lot of visible carbon, soot or whatever it is, on those overhead ridge beam dozer kits, the stack always coats the section of the beam above the stack, stack itself will have a thin layer of soot, but I've always taken notice of how clean these appear to run, Caterpillar boasted about this at some time in the past, noting that long running older era engines could keep up or be tuned to keep up with later emission standards, someone may have that ad and be able to post it here. The D-8800 in my D7, will push some black smoke at start up, more white, but not yet warmed up, unburnt fuel. Realizing that these engines were also designed to run on low grade fuels, like some older types of heating oil and similar, you wonder how clean those fuels burned.
Hi kenmcal,
Classic snow moving scenes there😊 😊
Seems to be running just fine.....those D4400 governors seem to be a little snappier then some other models.....so the load matching might be a little quicker. Just an observation😊
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Mon, Jan 12, 2009 12:09 AM
John in Wy
Offline
Send a private message to John in Wy
Posts: 191
Thank you received: 0
Reply to Old Magnet:
Hi kenmcal,
Classic snow moving scenes there😊 😊
Seems to be running just fine.....those D4400 governors seem to be a little snappier then some other models.....so the load matching might be a little quicker. Just an observation😊
Nice pile going there Ken, we don't have much snow over here in Newcastle, Wy yet. Gotta wait til March and April. LOL John
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:29 AM
kenmcal
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to kenmcal
Posts: 54
Thank you received: 0
Ok, thanks for the replies guys. This is my first D4 that I actually have worked. Both of my D2's (J series and U series) seem to pump black smoke when they were pushing hard. I don't think I am lacking power. It will spin the tracks in second gear. This thing will really push snow! I have never ran out of power on the D2's, but they would sure spin. The weight of the D4 must really help anchor it down. The purpose of the snow ramps is to just pile it up out of the way. In the spring when it melts the plowed snow last a lot longer than the undisturbed snow due to it being packed tighter. That is why I try to pile it out of the way.

Ken
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Mon, Jan 12, 2009 8:49 AM
Showing 1 to 10 of 14 results
1
YouTube Video Placeholder

Follow Us on Social Media

Our channel highlights machines from the earliest Holt and Best track-type tractors, equipment from the start of Caterpillar in 1925, up to units built in the mid-1960s.

Upcoming Events

Wheatlands Warracknabeal Easter Rally

Chapter Nineteen

| 34 Henty Hwy, Warracknabeal

Veerkamp Open House 2025

Chapter Fifteen

| Placerville, CA

Stradsett Park Vintage Rally

Chapter Two

| Stradsett, Nr Downham Market. Norfolk PE33 9HA UK
View Calendar
ACMOC

Antique Caterpillar
Machinery Owners Club

1115 Madison St NE # 1117
Salem, OR 97301

[email protected]

Terms & Privacy
Website developed by AdCo

Testimonials

"I also joined a year ago. had been on here a couple of times as a non-member and found the info very helpful so I got a one year subscription (not very expensive at all) to try it out. I really like all the resources on here so I just got a three year. I think its a very small price for what you can get out of this site."
-Jason N

Join Today!