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Questions - D7 3T, water left in engine-and froze

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smokenrust
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I bought a D-7 3T some time back where is -as was on an auction. It had been sitting there for about 18 years... Main engine was stuck, large coffee can over the stack... with dime size hole in it. Didn't see that either until after buying it... and somebody said that there's a crack in the engine. Say WHAT??? yup, a big crack in the left rear cover plate, behind the pony motor's electric starter and was hard to see. Fellow said that they started pouring water in and water was running out fast. I don't know if the fellows had to close the lower drain or not by the water pump, but the water pump didn't seem to be broken.

Okay, the Cat was sitting with its nose up a grade too... I drained the oil pan and got about 7 gallons of water out of the pan, or it sure seemed like it laying under there.. I got the engine broke loose too... pony started good, and winged the big engine over and half can ether later it was running. Loaded it without water.
I finally got the cover off and it is not worth brazing.

Okay here comes the questions-

I was wondering if those covers were designed to break to prevent freeze damage to the engine?
would some of the water in the crankcase be from the block being left with water in it?
Or could all that water simply came through the hole in the coffee can and past the piston?


So what are your thoughts?
Think I will be lucky with the engine block being the side plate broke?
and the radiator? Haven't see any bulges in it ...yet.

Should I just cut a plate and bolt on for a test to see if the block holds water?
Mmm , maybe just take some heavy cooking aluminum foil and punch hole for the bolts and put that between busted cover and the block for a trial run...
or just get a 6B4005 cover to put on... so, does anyone have a cover laying around they would part with...? 😆
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Hope to hear your comments and opinions. thanks Jerry
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Fri, Mar 17, 2017 2:23 PM
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I am sure you should be able to find the part you need locally.
lots of dimantled D7's around.
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Fri, Mar 17, 2017 5:38 PM
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Reply to Andrew:
I am sure you should be able to find the part you need locally.
lots of dimantled D7's around.
Here are some listed for sale:

http://www.machinerytrader.com/list/partssearch.aspx?partnum=6b4005&pst=starts
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Fri, Mar 17, 2017 9:33 PM
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you could also patch that hole temporarily with fiberglass cloth and resin to check the engine block out
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Fri, Mar 17, 2017 9:38 PM
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does that plate cover the water jacket? if it does, then it probably broke as the weekest link. if it doesn't cover the water jacket, then the plate broke from water in the crankcase, likeley from exhaust. you can use some quick metal silly-putty type stuff to patch it for a test, or just cover it with a flat piece of steel like you had mentioned.

water in the oil is more than likely from the exhaust being left open, how many cans blew off it in 18 years of sitting, i have gone outside and found some of my engines have had the can blow off the exhaust.

good news is the engines run, most people don't get that.
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Fri, Mar 17, 2017 10:29 PM
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Reply to rmyram:
does that plate cover the water jacket? if it does, then it probably broke as the weekest link. if it doesn't cover the water jacket, then the plate broke from water in the crankcase, likeley from exhaust. you can use some quick metal silly-putty type stuff to patch it for a test, or just cover it with a flat piece of steel like you had mentioned.

water in the oil is more than likely from the exhaust being left open, how many cans blew off it in 18 years of sitting, i have gone outside and found some of my engines have had the can blow off the exhaust.

good news is the engines run, most people don't get that.
You may have lucked out. The 6B4005 and 6B3973 cover plates cover the water side.
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Fri, Mar 17, 2017 10:55 PM
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