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vailvalley59
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I have a D-4 5-T (1946) series dozier. How is the oil level maintained in the injector housing? Is it a separate unit that receives no other oil than what is in the housing? I also need to understand about the oil level in the pony motor clutch housing--how is it checked? Thank you for any info--I do not have any literature to help with these questions. Vailvalley59
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Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:53 AM
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The injector pump housing carries it's own oil. Take the slotted head cap off that's on the side and fill to the top with 30 wt oil.

As for the clutch housing, there should be a square headed plug on the side of the housing about half way up from the bottom. Take the plug out on the top (the one you can adjust the clutch through), fill to where oil starts to seep out of the hole on the side and that's it.

If the clutch drags a bit when engaging the pinion gear you might try ATF instead of the recommended 30 wt oil.
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Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:10 PM
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Reply to ol Grump:
The injector pump housing carries it's own oil. Take the slotted head cap off that's on the side and fill to the top with 30 wt oil.

As for the clutch housing, there should be a square headed plug on the side of the housing about half way up from the bottom. Take the plug out on the top (the one you can adjust the clutch through), fill to where oil starts to seep out of the hole on the side and that's it.

If the clutch drags a bit when engaging the pinion gear you might try ATF instead of the recommended 30 wt oil.
Also, make sure you check that oil in the injection pump prior to each use, especially after sitting awhile. There is only about a quart of oil in there and you will never know if it leaks throught the acces. drive seal and into the engine. Once it is gone you governor will sieze up and the gear on the end of the camshaft that drives the governor will bend the end of the shaft. I know this from first hand experience. They say to check the oil after like 240 hours. Way too long on the old machines that might have a 50 year old seal. It was a costly repair and much downtime. I found out way too much about that pump that I didn't want to know.

John
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Tue, Oct 9, 2012 11:47 PM
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Reply to John from Fresno:
Also, make sure you check that oil in the injection pump prior to each use, especially after sitting awhile. There is only about a quart of oil in there and you will never know if it leaks throught the acces. drive seal and into the engine. Once it is gone you governor will sieze up and the gear on the end of the camshaft that drives the governor will bend the end of the shaft. I know this from first hand experience. They say to check the oil after like 240 hours. Way too long on the old machines that might have a 50 year old seal. It was a costly repair and much downtime. I found out way too much about that pump that I didn't want to know.

John
Thanks to you all--is the governor housing oiled from this injector housing oil or is something else involved? I had a leak at the seal in the governor housing where the throttle linkage enters--replaced the seal--still have some small leakage. Could the main crankcase breather be involved or are we talking separate systems here? Thanks Vailvalley59
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Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:25 AM
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Reply to vailvalley59:
Thanks to you all--is the governor housing oiled from this injector housing oil or is something else involved? I had a leak at the seal in the governor housing where the throttle linkage enters--replaced the seal--still have some small leakage. Could the main crankcase breather be involved or are we talking separate systems here? Thanks Vailvalley59
Yes, the governor gets it's lube from the injector pump sump and no, the engine breather is not involved as the engine and injector pump systems are separate.
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Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:47 PM
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Yes, the governor gets it's lube from the injector pump sump and no, the engine breather is not involved as the engine and injector pump systems are separate.
My 9U, when removing the plug for the injection pump camcase, runs a stream of diesel not stopping. I therefore need to fix something!

So what I understand the diesel must be coming down thru the pumps. Is this correct?

There is no diesel in the engine crankcase.

I've known about this prob for 2 yrs, I gotta get it fixed so I can use this tractor.

How about that Mexican place(mentioned on ACMOC discussion a few years back) that rebuilt pumps, is there any new news about them?

Also this engine slobbers and misfires slightly..
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Sun, Oct 14, 2012 11:38 PM
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I don't know anything about the pumps themselves or the mexican reufurbishing facility, If diesel is in the crankcase of the injection pump it could very well be coming from the individual pumps, i would think ther would be a bad seal somewhere in there. another possible source might be the transfer pump seal, i'm not sure how it is driven but i would assume it is driven from the injector pump shaft if that seal were to fail, it could pump fuel into the injection pump. Someone please correct me if i am wrong on this one.

If the engine is slobbering and misfiring there are a few possible causes, the first one to be checked should be the injectors, it is possible that an injector is bad and overfueling a cylinder causing the slobber and miss. Does it change under load?

another primary cause of diesel engines slobbering (but doesn't always create a miss in the engine) is having a poor thermostat or running an engine with the thermostats removed, the engine cannot reach it's designed operating temperature and carbon starts to build up in the rings, pistons, combustion chambers and valves. I have seen many old diesel engines clean right up after replacing bad thermostats and then giving them a work out. A person can also use an oil additive called RISLONE available at any parts supplier to help clean up stuck rings and carbon deposits and excessive oil consumption. you have to change your filters more often when using rislone as it will clean the whole crankcase.
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Mon, Oct 15, 2012 1:53 AM
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I don't know anything about the pumps themselves or the mexican reufurbishing facility, If diesel is in the crankcase of the injection pump it could very well be coming from the individual pumps, i would think ther would be a bad seal somewhere in there. another possible source might be the transfer pump seal, i'm not sure how it is driven but i would assume it is driven from the injector pump shaft if that seal were to fail, it could pump fuel into the injection pump. Someone please correct me if i am wrong on this one.

If the engine is slobbering and misfiring there are a few possible causes, the first one to be checked should be the injectors, it is possible that an injector is bad and overfueling a cylinder causing the slobber and miss. Does it change under load?

another primary cause of diesel engines slobbering (but doesn't always create a miss in the engine) is having a poor thermostat or running an engine with the thermostats removed, the engine cannot reach it's designed operating temperature and carbon starts to build up in the rings, pistons, combustion chambers and valves. I have seen many old diesel engines clean right up after replacing bad thermostats and then giving them a work out. A person can also use an oil additive called RISLONE available at any parts supplier to help clean up stuck rings and carbon deposits and excessive oil consumption. you have to change your filters more often when using rislone as it will clean the whole crankcase.
Hi Team,
the most likely fuel leakage source would be the fuel injection pump fuel supply gallery plug seal, at the governor end of the main fuel injection pump housing.

The pump lifter screws have shields under them to direct any by-pass fuel from the plungers down and out the lifter gallery drain pipe. This pipe maybe be teed into the drain line from the transfer pump packings.
If the transfer pump packings leak, and the drain pipes are blocked with mud, this leakage will push up into the gallery and flood the injection pump sump.

Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:47 AM
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Not all D318 and D315 etc pumps had the plug in the governor end of the injection pump housing. Late models after 9U26421 had a housing which was cast with the fuel passage blind on that end.

When the fuel is getting into the engine without flooding the injection pump housing, unless it's backing up like Eddie described because of a blocked drain tube, most likely place to look is the seal between the injection pump housing and the fuel filter housing. This "ferrule" uses the same o-ring 8B4967 as is found on the opposite end of the fuel gallery in the older models where the housing was cast with the passage completely through it.

If the one on the governor end leaks, the fuel will fill the governor and injection pump housing full of diesel eventually replacing the oil. If the pump housing is not overfull and has fuel instead of oil, the shaft seal that drives the injection pump off the front gear case is most likely also bad and allowing the excess to drain into the engine by that route.

Possible to have the fuel transfer pump seals go bad, but again, that leakage should go out a drain line at the left front corner of the engine instead of into the crankcase.

Those small drain lines are important indicators and protectors and frequently get crimped off or plugged when they do not run any fuel (a good situation except for the plugging which may result)
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