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Now I know that most of you on here have made your living around iron and are extremely adept at what you do so don't take this wrong. I am going through my 14a from one end to the other replacing parts with the best pieces I have. As I go I am finding little thing that just weren't put together right. So far I have found brake bands incorrectly adjusted, steering clutch flange bolts not tight/properly torqued, over torqued bolts resulting in broken bolts, wrong bolts(wrong grade and length), using JB weld to fix water manifold crack instead of brazing, trans mounting studs that are flat flange requiring no lock washer with lock washer-the result being not enough threads biting, water manifold not flanged together inline causing one ear to be broke when they tightened it up, pup engine not sitting exactly right, and I'm sure there is more. My point is that there are ways in which true mechanics conduct themselves. Attention to detail and doing a repair correctly means things will last. Here is a picture of the over use of what looks like clear(?) silicone. Every water passage hole coming out of the heads looked like this.:dizzy:[attachment=39363]IMG_1830.jpg[/attachment][attachment=39362]IMG_1829.jpg[/attachment]
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Tue, Dec 13, 2016 10:09 PM
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It's great to see that you are trying to fix it doing everything right. On the other hand, I know people that did what they could to keep an old machine operating with literally no funds to work with. They did what they could to survive and, man oh man, some of the cobbled repairs that results from that. While I agree sometimes they did more harm than good, I have a hard time coming down to hard on them for trying. I hope all works out well on your machine. Keep us posted.
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Tue, Dec 13, 2016 11:18 PM
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There is also your geographic situation, and the funding, genuine parts may have been multiple days away, funds may have been tight or non existent, and the machine had to be running to make money. Also access to certified journeyman mechanics may have been a factor as well, or they couldn't afford to hire certified people so they grabbed anyone with mechanical ability. I apprenticed at an agricultural dealership and some tractors or implements we would only see when the owner could not repair the machine themselves due to lack of tools or knowledge, some of the haywire (literally) fixes we would see are mind boggling, but you have to give the guy credit for the ingenuity to keep the machine going to finish out the harvest. There is a difference between a mechanic and a parts replacer.

with all that, i could be accused of carrying out some cobbled repairs on my equipment, (due to budget or time considerations), but i am the only operator of my machines an know the limitation of my cobbled repair.

one day the tie rod end on the end of my steering cylinder broke and i had to get the machine moving. the right tie rod end was two weeks away, the local parts store had one in stock that had the right taper, and the right threads on the shank end, but it was 6 inches long in the shank instead of two, i installed it so i could continue using the machine, but the cylinder was bottomed in a left hand turn just to drive the machine straight, it would only turn to the right. My father thought he would do me a favour and install tire chains cause it was starting to snow and get icy. he came around the corner and spun out on the little hill up to my "shop". no problem, he was going to back down the hill and take another run. he didn't realize it wouldn't turn left and ended up parking my forklift in the brand new rail fence i had just put up.

i couldn't get mad, it was my fault for the cobbled repair. when the proper part came in, i put it in right away.

every thing we do in life, we can look around at other people and say "i would have done it different" but we don't always know the other persons circumstances, they did what they know how to do, or were told they could do by someone they viewed as more knowledgeable. I try to extend as much grace as I can. " judge not, for ye shall be judged"

Yes it is frustrating when we get a project and it keeps growing as find more and more things that weren't fixed "properly" or sometimes damaged more than they fixed. Many of these machines have a mulit-generational history and we are not aware of half of it, this is part of the hobby, and i think we enjoy it to an extent, it gives a real sense of satisfaction when we finally get it put back together and know we have done a good job.
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Tue, Dec 13, 2016 11:58 PM
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There is also your geographic situation, and the funding, genuine parts may have been multiple days away, funds may have been tight or non existent, and the machine had to be running to make money. Also access to certified journeyman mechanics may have been a factor as well, or they couldn't afford to hire certified people so they grabbed anyone with mechanical ability. I apprenticed at an agricultural dealership and some tractors or implements we would only see when the owner could not repair the machine themselves due to lack of tools or knowledge, some of the haywire (literally) fixes we would see are mind boggling, but you have to give the guy credit for the ingenuity to keep the machine going to finish out the harvest. There is a difference between a mechanic and a parts replacer.

with all that, i could be accused of carrying out some cobbled repairs on my equipment, (due to budget or time considerations), but i am the only operator of my machines an know the limitation of my cobbled repair.

one day the tie rod end on the end of my steering cylinder broke and i had to get the machine moving. the right tie rod end was two weeks away, the local parts store had one in stock that had the right taper, and the right threads on the shank end, but it was 6 inches long in the shank instead of two, i installed it so i could continue using the machine, but the cylinder was bottomed in a left hand turn just to drive the machine straight, it would only turn to the right. My father thought he would do me a favour and install tire chains cause it was starting to snow and get icy. he came around the corner and spun out on the little hill up to my "shop". no problem, he was going to back down the hill and take another run. he didn't realize it wouldn't turn left and ended up parking my forklift in the brand new rail fence i had just put up.

i couldn't get mad, it was my fault for the cobbled repair. when the proper part came in, i put it in right away.

every thing we do in life, we can look around at other people and say "i would have done it different" but we don't always know the other persons circumstances, they did what they know how to do, or were told they could do by someone they viewed as more knowledgeable. I try to extend as much grace as I can. " judge not, for ye shall be judged"

Yes it is frustrating when we get a project and it keeps growing as find more and more things that weren't fixed "properly" or sometimes damaged more than they fixed. Many of these machines have a mulit-generational history and we are not aware of half of it, this is part of the hobby, and i think we enjoy it to an extent, it gives a real sense of satisfaction when we finally get it put back together and know we have done a good job.
Silicone can be a real bugger at times and some years ago like in the 80's when I first recall seeing silicone been used the standard theory was put a heap on do it and if it is forced out all round you know you have a good seal
The wiser blokes would put the silicone on let it tack off or firm up a bit then bolt up till it was forced out all the way around

Now I have seen proper mechanics in big work shops using silicone and they reckon the black silicone is the ducks guts !!!

I must admit I have done this plenty of times until one day one a machine I hadnt worked on and only recently bought was jumping out of gear when I pulled the box out and got it all apart silicone was everywhere in oil galleries in the sliding dogs the lot forced into bearings as the gear box was pressure fed ah what a mess

I have never ever used silicone since on any mechanical thing only for plumbing I got my self a good supple of gasket paper and just cut gaskets and use gasket goo as it dissolves and absorbs into the oil ok

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So when it comes to rough buggers I'll put my hand up with the best and the worst of them at times and have taken plenty of short cuts mainly due to time constraints or cash flow constraints

But I have found as the years have gone by that I take a lot less short cuts and spend a lot more time fixing things to what I consider right first time

And as far as bolts go I used to put spring washers on every thing these days a good quality tension wrench and small amount of loc-tite works so much better
On the sugar cane harvesters they use Areldite 2 part epoxy and leave the cane harvester for 24 hours for the glue to set and when you want the bolts undone a small amount of heat and it softens the glue and of it comes off, even the dealers as in CaseIH and John Deere use Areldite on Cane harvesters I wonder if it says so in the work shop manuals


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Wed, Dec 14, 2016 2:46 AM
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Is one of them possibly a gas (propane, cng) mixer?
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Wed, Dec 14, 2016 9:58 AM
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Looks like the original carburator failed, so a working will fit ???? was adapted to it.
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Wed, Dec 14, 2016 10:01 AM
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Looks like the original carburator failed, so a working will fit ???? was adapted to it.
Hi, Folks.
Methinks summa Yooze gyze needta wotch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wspwBcuOZFg

These fellas are EXPERTS at 'gittinerrdunn'.

Now complain about 'quality work'. LOL

BTW, there are a lot more videos than just that one - some more on that same page.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Wed, Dec 14, 2016 10:52 AM
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Hi, Folks.
Methinks summa Yooze gyze needta wotch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wspwBcuOZFg

These fellas are EXPERTS at 'gittinerrdunn'.

Now complain about 'quality work'. LOL

BTW, there are a lot more videos than just that one - some more on that same page.

Just my 0.02.
Hi Deas,
priceless Mate! Top bush job there.

Had seen a few other vids. of these fella's, they sure get 'er done.

Seem to recall I read of one bloke who tried to use mulga wood for a differential pinion in a book on "Tom" Kruse's mail trucks as seen in the old movie they showed us in school back in the fifties called "Back Of Beyond" Did not work off course.

http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2014/s4129598.htm

Thanks and Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Wed, Dec 14, 2016 12:29 PM
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Hi Deas,
priceless Mate! Top bush job there.

Had seen a few other vids. of these fella's, they sure get 'er done.

Seem to recall I read of one bloke who tried to use mulga wood for a differential pinion in a book on "Tom" Kruse's mail trucks as seen in the old movie they showed us in school back in the fifties called "Back Of Beyond" Did not work off course.

http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2014/s4129598.htm

Thanks and Cheers,
Eddie B.
Hi, Edb.
Thanks for that link. Great stuff. Tom Kruse was one helluva man. Likewise, Henry Butler, his offsider for 20 years. They don't make 'em like that much any more.

There is a scale replica of the old Leyland Beaver doing the rounds of some of the vintage shows up here. I thought I had some photos of it at the Biloela show last but I can't find them. C'est la vie.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Wed, Dec 14, 2016 2:22 PM
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Hi, Edb.
Thanks for that link. Great stuff. Tom Kruse was one helluva man. Likewise, Henry Butler, his offsider for 20 years. They don't make 'em like that much any more.

There is a scale replica of the old Leyland Beaver doing the rounds of some of the vintage shows up here. I thought I had some photos of it at the Biloela show last but I can't find them. C'est la vie.

Just my 0.02.
Hi Deas how are you? the old leyland model i think was built and owned by Doug Clark of Beronia hts .25 years ago i took a road boss and dog loaded with pre mix bitumen from emerald to birdsville for the shire [diamentina shire]. the shire depot [headquarters is in bedourie]. Tipped the dog and unhooked it then took the truck to birdsville only thing was the road was flooded council had a track just outside of bedourie towards wydham well only trucks and 4 wheel drives are allowed on it. At the time they had a heap of the old long nose toyotas that were made in townsville single drives well i had a 8 71 15 speed sp 40s alloy binned truck going down loaded was ok ,never crossed so many sand hills know how swishys 2 strokes will lugg [not ] my hand never shifted so many gears in 250 ks coming back was allright till you hit soft sand had to slip the power divder in quick to get thru , the tojos beung single drive would just walk thru but the no weight on the boogie [alloy] bin just wanted to skip. It was 520 ks down and back took me ten hours with half an hour for a coke in the bar. the overseer gave me 10 hours before he would send the grader it was a real adventure some thing you get to do once in your life kelvin
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Hi Deas how are you? the old leyland model i think was built and owned by Doug Clark of Beronia hts .25 years ago i took a road boss and dog loaded with pre mix bitumen from emerald to birdsville for the shire [diamentina shire]. the shire depot [headquarters is in bedourie]. Tipped the dog and unhooked it then took the truck to birdsville only thing was the road was flooded council had a track just outside of bedourie towards wydham well only trucks and 4 wheel drives are allowed on it. At the time they had a heap of the old long nose toyotas that were made in townsville single drives well i had a 8 71 15 speed sp 40s alloy binned truck going down loaded was ok ,never crossed so many sand hills know how swishys 2 strokes will lugg [not ] my hand never shifted so many gears in 250 ks coming back was allright till you hit soft sand had to slip the power divder in quick to get thru , the tojos beung single drive would just walk thru but the no weight on the boogie [alloy] bin just wanted to skip. It was 520 ks down and back took me ten hours with half an hour for a coke in the bar. the overseer gave me 10 hours before he would send the grader it was a real adventure some thing you get to do once in your life kelvin
Would this be the little Beaver you blokes are talking about ????

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