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frochevy
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Hello,
I just signed up on this forum and I have a few questions about a D2 Caterpillar. I've been wanting to purchase a Cat twenty, twenty two, or D2 for a couple of years now. I know very little about them, but I am hoping to go look at a D2 this weekend. The seller stated that the Pony motor is stuck. However he pull started the diesel engine a few weeks ago and had it running. The radiator has a hole it in and it will need repaired. Also, he said there are some issues with the clutch and/or linkage. The seller said that the tracks are tight.

My question is, when I go look at this machine, what should I be looking for? I will look for a Serial #. Is there anything I need to test and or check out on this machine? This machnine had a home ade blade on it in the past but it has been taken off so I will only be looking to purchase the tractor it self. Thank you all for any help you may provide.
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Wed, Apr 1, 2015 2:32 AM
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There r about a 100 things to determine, BUT the largest thing is realize these things r hard and heavy and take deep pockets to bring back. Most want the u series machines (1947-1957) sometimes they ain't wore out as bad and parts r maybe easier to find. Get some pics of it including closeups or the undercarriage. Take a short straight edge and rulle to accurately measure the height of the track link from bottom of shoe to top of s-edge as it sits across bottom the link. Feel the pins and see if their busted through. Finally make sure u really want to f-ck with all the headaches these things can bring. If not find something running and in decent shape 4 less dollars ull probably soak into it. In this market i wouldn't pay more than scrap, maybe less how much its going to cost to get it. NEXT post pics and we'll go from there. I wouldn't try to get it started this time. Where is it at? seek a club member to go with u. good luck and seek professional help! u r :crazy:
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Wed, Apr 1, 2015 3:14 AM
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Hi

Check the track gear first for remaining life, wear and tear - this is very expensive to repair and replace and many componants are no longer available.

Sprockets - look for remaining life - if pointed teeth then worn out. Rollers and idlers - look for leaks - seals are over 200 bucks each x 2 per roller, bushes over 60 bucks each x 2 per roller and new rollers - well good luck in finding them.

You can easily spend up to 5k repairing and replacing the track gear alone. Pony motor - allow a k to fix more if cracked.

Clutch - can be acessed from the top on later 5Us, earlier ones require splitting ther machine. Steering clutches - do they work, if not then may require costly repairs as the whole track frame has to come off, housing removed and clutch drums can shatter on removal if rusted up.

Are the track covers there - bonus if they are, hard to find if not.

Rust? Look for severe rust on track frames which could render them scrap.

Equaliser spring - complete or broken and check the sump where the spring sits as this is usually cracked and leaking oil.

Price - hopefully it will be cheap because repairs are very expensive unless you can do many tasks yourself.

Additional features, eg., electric pony motor start, generator, lights etc are always nice to have.
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Wed, Apr 1, 2015 3:15 AM
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Check the track gear first for remaining life, wear and tear - this is very expensive to repair and replace and many componants are no longer available.

Sprockets - look for remaining life - if pointed teeth then worn out. Rollers and idlers - look for leaks - seals are over 200 bucks each x 2 per roller, bushes over 60 bucks each x 2 per roller and new rollers - well good luck in finding them.

You can easily spend up to 5k repairing and replacing the track gear alone. Pony motor - allow a k to fix more if cracked.

Clutch - can be acessed from the top on later 5Us, earlier ones require splitting ther machine. Steering clutches - do they work, if not then may require costly repairs as the whole track frame has to come off, housing removed and clutch drums can shatter on removal if rusted up.

Are the track covers there - bonus if they are, hard to find if not.

Rust? Look for severe rust on track frames which could render them scrap.

Equaliser spring - complete or broken and check the sump where the spring sits as this is usually cracked and leaking oil.

Price - hopefully it will be cheap because repairs are very expensive unless you can do many tasks yourself.

Additional features, eg., electric pony motor start, generator, lights etc are always nice to have.
Welcome to the forum.

D2 and 22's are plenty of fun and can be quite useful on a small farm. If possible get yourself one with a dozer blade and/or rear PTO.

if its in good nick Just buy it.

steve
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Wed, Apr 1, 2015 5:35 AM
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Welcome to the forum.

D2 and 22's are plenty of fun and can be quite useful on a small farm. If possible get yourself one with a dozer blade and/or rear PTO.

if its in good nick Just buy it.

steve
Finish the member signup! That way you can put in where you live as maybe there is someone nearby to go look at it!
Like them fellers said, if the Pony is stuck, its money to repair, maybe replace. Look at the Tracks/Undercarriage, again expensive, hard to source parts. Clutch/Linkages? go back a page or two and read the one where the guy just spent money to put a Clutch in! That amount added to what you are willing spend on this one will buy you a better one! Peruse the FOR SALE as Steve over in Michigan just listed 2 running 28's for decent prices! There may have been a better tractor than the one you have described listed also!
Look at Chrisco's Craigslist Ad Thread, there are probably some better ones there. Go back ten pages maybe and find the D2 listed in Lusiana(?) as it is rough but probably in better shape! Also Wally just listed a tractor over there in the past day or so.
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I'd buy what you described for Scrap price or less as hauling is required to move it. Then I would part it out to help finance a good machine! Like them guys said, parts are heavy to handle when you need to tear it apart.
Once you get it home, you'll need it running so you can move it.
Post pictures as maybe everyone who gave advice is wrong, but I doubt it as these guys are straight shooters in the know!
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Wed, Apr 1, 2015 6:40 AM
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Finish the member signup! That way you can put in where you live as maybe there is someone nearby to go look at it!
Like them fellers said, if the Pony is stuck, its money to repair, maybe replace. Look at the Tracks/Undercarriage, again expensive, hard to source parts. Clutch/Linkages? go back a page or two and read the one where the guy just spent money to put a Clutch in! That amount added to what you are willing spend on this one will buy you a better one! Peruse the FOR SALE as Steve over in Michigan just listed 2 running 28's for decent prices! There may have been a better tractor than the one you have described listed also!
Look at Chrisco's Craigslist Ad Thread, there are probably some better ones there. Go back ten pages maybe and find the D2 listed in Lusiana(?) as it is rough but probably in better shape! Also Wally just listed a tractor over there in the past day or so.
Me?
I'd buy what you described for Scrap price or less as hauling is required to move it. Then I would part it out to help finance a good machine! Like them guys said, parts are heavy to handle when you need to tear it apart.
Once you get it home, you'll need it running so you can move it.
Post pictures as maybe everyone who gave advice is wrong, but I doubt it as these guys are straight shooters in the know!
I'm in Wamego, KS. The D2 Is located in mclouth, KS which is north of Lawrence, KS. I'm not afraid to tear into anything and learn to fix it. I'm actually an Allis Chalmers guy, but I have worked for Caterpillar Work Tools in Wamego, KS for almost 10 yrs. I've always wanted a small Cat to take to tractor shows, parades, play with at home, etc. This machine is on craigslist. He's asking $1000 for it. The link is below:


http://kansascity.craigslist.org/grd/4912942768.html
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Wed, Apr 1, 2015 8:44 AM
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I'm in Wamego, KS. The D2 Is located in mclouth, KS which is north of Lawrence, KS. I'm not afraid to tear into anything and learn to fix it. I'm actually an Allis Chalmers guy, but I have worked for Caterpillar Work Tools in Wamego, KS for almost 10 yrs. I've always wanted a small Cat to take to tractor shows, parades, play with at home, etc. This machine is on craigslist. He's asking $1000 for it. The link is below:


http://kansascity.craigslist.org/grd/4912942768.html
I would buy that for a k sight unseen but then again I always pay too much😊

Seriously from the pics it looks to be worth that amount in scrap value alone and it would be nice to see another example of Caterpillar magic saved from scrap - and you clearly have the skills and contacts to make it work out😖py:
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Wed, Apr 1, 2015 9:27 AM
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I would buy that for a k sight unseen but then again I always pay too much😊

Seriously from the pics it looks to be worth that amount in scrap value alone and it would be nice to see another example of Caterpillar magic saved from scrap - and you clearly have the skills and contacts to make it work out😖py:
Looks pretty rough and worn out, might be worth $500 for a parts machine, if you needed it, looks like every part on the machine will need work and if you did restore it you would have many times more in it than it would ever be worth. If you spent five times as much on a nice runner it would be much cheaper in the long run.
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Wed, Apr 1, 2015 10:18 AM
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Looks pretty rough and worn out, might be worth $500 for a parts machine, if you needed it, looks like every part on the machine will need work and if you did restore it you would have many times more in it than it would ever be worth. If you spent five times as much on a nice runner it would be much cheaper in the long run.
If it's a 3J which it looks like to me, the radiator guard, breather and oil filler show it to be a tractor with a serial number up 3J2554 inclusive.
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Wed, Apr 1, 2015 10:45 AM
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If it's a 3J which it looks like to me, the radiator guard, breather and oil filler show it to be a tractor with a serial number up 3J2554 inclusive.
The very early "J"'s had no Pony Exhaust Pre-Heater around the Intake Manifold.
I admit it, I'd buy it for 1K if I couldn't dicker him down a little as I'm a sucker for the "J" series D2.
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Wed, Apr 1, 2015 6:20 PM
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The very early "J"'s had no Pony Exhaust Pre-Heater around the Intake Manifold.
I admit it, I'd buy it for 1K if I couldn't dicker him down a little as I'm a sucker for the "J" series D2.
i'm sorry but i would not buy a j parts machine. thats all thats there without any good cat options. there are a lot of guys that offer j d2 parts now. that tractor is in the late tontos area. he hosted the first couple cat playdays back in the day. good luck with your decision.
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