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gauntjoh
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When in '2000, I visited the Cat foundry near Peoria, one of our party asked if the Cat policy of "no parts orphans" (i.e. parts would always be available for their machines) was true.
Our guide was, after consulting the production log, able to tell us that a few weeks ago they had cast a new final drive casing for a 1936 D6. He did admit however that it was not like the original - metallurgy had improved so much that the new final drive casing would outlast the rest of the machine. Oh, he didn't say how much it had cost either !!

Does anyone know if this policy is still in place at Caterpillar Inc. and if not when it was abandoned ?
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Sat, Jan 2, 2010 4:54 AM
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Do you relize how much room it would take to save all the patterns for all the diff.castings that Cat has made for the last 85yrs and how many diff foundries made parts for them. You would thinkj if that was the case they would just whip out a bunch of Cat 10 manifolds that they could sell now for more then the tractor sold for 80 yrs ago. Im sure Kent could tell us what they can still make
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Sat, Jan 2, 2010 5:39 AM
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Do you relize how much room it would take to save all the patterns for all the diff.castings that Cat has made for the last 85yrs and how many diff foundries made parts for them. You would thinkj if that was the case they would just whip out a bunch of Cat 10 manifolds that they could sell now for more then the tractor sold for 80 yrs ago. Im sure Kent could tell us what they can still make
The "no parts orphans" policy, that was touted so loudly by Cat in the 1930's, 1940's and early 1950's, was quietly abandoned without any announcement, around 1956 or 1957. The written decision is likely to be buried deep in the Cat archives of BOD decisions, and they probably aren't interested in finding it, any time soon.
I believe that blueprints for most parts are still available, and Cat can supply them .. but I never knew that Cat would still cast items such as a final drive housing for a 2H series RD6.
This would have necessitated a new mold, I would imagine .. and it would have been a very expensive exercise.
I'd take an educated guess, that it was cast for someone with serious "pull", inside the Cat dealer organisation, or even for someone in the upper echelons of Cat management.
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Sat, Jan 2, 2010 8:44 AM
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The "no parts orphans" policy, that was touted so loudly by Cat in the 1930's, 1940's and early 1950's, was quietly abandoned without any announcement, around 1956 or 1957. The written decision is likely to be buried deep in the Cat archives of BOD decisions, and they probably aren't interested in finding it, any time soon.
I believe that blueprints for most parts are still available, and Cat can supply them .. but I never knew that Cat would still cast items such as a final drive housing for a 2H series RD6.
This would have necessitated a new mold, I would imagine .. and it would have been a very expensive exercise.
I'd take an educated guess, that it was cast for someone with serious "pull", inside the Cat dealer organisation, or even for someone in the upper echelons of Cat management.
Please tell me where you go to get cat blueprints. I called wanting prints for the manifold on a 28 crawler an was pretty much told to take a hike that prints were protected. But I could get a manifold cast if I was willing to pay for the plant shut down and retool time.😮
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Sat, Jan 2, 2010 9:01 AM
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Reply to OzDozer:
The "no parts orphans" policy, that was touted so loudly by Cat in the 1930's, 1940's and early 1950's, was quietly abandoned without any announcement, around 1956 or 1957. The written decision is likely to be buried deep in the Cat archives of BOD decisions, and they probably aren't interested in finding it, any time soon.
I believe that blueprints for most parts are still available, and Cat can supply them .. but I never knew that Cat would still cast items such as a final drive housing for a 2H series RD6.
This would have necessitated a new mold, I would imagine .. and it would have been a very expensive exercise.
I'd take an educated guess, that it was cast for someone with serious "pull", inside the Cat dealer organisation, or even for someone in the upper echelons of Cat management.
I was wondering why whoever didnt just aquire a good used D6 housing??, i could find a few good useable housings for a reasonable cheap price ,,, even from here in OZ. there are plenty in CA and WA state . my 2 cents worth. Regards and BEST new year wishes to you all ! pete😊
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Sat, Jan 2, 2010 9:05 AM
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I was wondering why whoever didnt just aquire a good used D6 housing??, i could find a few good useable housings for a reasonable cheap price ,,, even from here in OZ. there are plenty in CA and WA state . my 2 cents worth. Regards and BEST new year wishes to you all ! pete😊
I can see the business logic behind why Cat does not want to make parts for a 1930's or 1940's vintage machine. AS jwwelty posted it would be nice to get the drawings from these obsolete and antique tractors they do not care to support.
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Sat, Jan 2, 2010 11:31 AM
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I can see the business logic behind why Cat does not want to make parts for a 1930's or 1940's vintage machine. AS jwwelty posted it would be nice to get the drawings from these obsolete and antique tractors they do not care to support.
I remember during a tour of the factory a few years ago that the guide told us all the blueprints are available for all the models ever made. If there are a couple of requests for a certain part, Caterpillar would resurect the blueprint and make a new part. Personally, I had 2 thoughts. 1) You have got to be joking! 2) If you're not joking me, then just how much would that one part cost me? 😕
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Sat, Jan 2, 2010 12:58 PM
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I remember during a tour of the factory a few years ago that the guide told us all the blueprints are available for all the models ever made. If there are a couple of requests for a certain part, Caterpillar would resurect the blueprint and make a new part. Personally, I had 2 thoughts. 1) You have got to be joking! 2) If you're not joking me, then just how much would that one part cost me? 😕
Hi Team,
from my experience you need to find a Partsman at The Dealer who is interested in helping you.
For obsolete parts no longer on the NPR (Numerical Parts Record) or Discontinued, he can request the relevant Drawing/s from Cat.
I did see an explaination once of how many parts need to be ordered in a given time frame to keep that part "alive" before it got to be discontinued, then how many requests for that discontinued part to drop out of the system and not appear on the NPR.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Hi Team,
from my experience you need to find a Partsman at The Dealer who is interested in helping you.
For obsolete parts no longer on the NPR (Numerical Parts Record) or Discontinued, he can request the relevant Drawing/s from Cat.
I did see an explaination once of how many parts need to be ordered in a given time frame to keep that part "alive" before it got to be discontinued, then how many requests for that discontinued part to drop out of the system and not appear on the NPR.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
I got a few drawings through my dealer around 10 years ago. the last one was for the D2 bell housing. What I got was size reduced drawing from a fax that was largely illegible. It was said to be the best they could do. I next time I asked for a drawing they said they could only get one if they were going to have a part made. I said, well then suppose I buy a part and you sub the making out to me?. They said NO.
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Sat, Jan 2, 2010 1:32 PM
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I got a few drawings through my dealer around 10 years ago. the last one was for the D2 bell housing. What I got was size reduced drawing from a fax that was largely illegible. It was said to be the best they could do. I next time I asked for a drawing they said they could only get one if they were going to have a part made. I said, well then suppose I buy a part and you sub the making out to me?. They said NO.
I got a couple drawings for parts on my Cat 40 scraper about 4 years ago through my local dealer. Took them to a machine shop and they made the parts. I don't think the dealer or Cat charged me for the drawings or if they did it was not very much. They were reduced size but perfectly legible enough to make the parts.

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Sat, Jan 2, 2010 1:48 PM
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Hi Team,
from my experience you need to find a Partsman at The Dealer who is interested in helping you.
For obsolete parts no longer on the NPR (Numerical Parts Record) or Discontinued, he can request the relevant Drawing/s from Cat.
I did see an explaination once of how many parts need to be ordered in a given time frame to keep that part "alive" before it got to be discontinued, then how many requests for that discontinued part to drop out of the system and not appear on the NPR.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
I agre with the part that you need a parts guy that wants to help, and thats one of the biggest problem, finding the guy. Over on the fore sale section Dan has some rad caps for sale and Im sure that he thinks they are hard to get because some parts guy told him they wernt avail. anymore. But you can still get them new from Cat dealer for $45.33 with another $1.63 you can get a new gasket for it and that price is del UPS to your door. Many times I have had parts guy tell no way and then go to some old shop guy who would walk to parts dept. and tell them to get me something and it was what I wanted, its not only a Cat thing though.
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