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I'm running out of places to ask about a Scoopmobile--an early model H with Chrysler flat head engine, equipped with fluid coupler on the clutch. I thought I'd better try the source of the most guys who have done it all at one time or another.

The starter ring gear is shot. Has anyone out there been involved in the removal of the fluid coupler? The ring gear is welded to the fluid coupler housing. The bell housing is open on the bottom, but the whole thing is very close coupled.

Would removal of the drive shaft let the transmissions move forward far enough to drop the clutch and fluid coupler out the bottom? Where is the pilot bearing, or how long is the transmission input shaft? It came with no manuals or parts book.

I dressed the ring gear with a die grinder, but it didn't last. I think it is worn down through the hard layer. It has been laid up for about 1-1/2 years and I sorely miss it here on the farm. It's a good runner if only I could get it started.

Any benefit you can afford me will be definitely appreciated.

Thanks,

Jack
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Mon, Apr 22, 2019 7:58 AM
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Jack,
I have never worked on a Scoopmobile but I have seen lots of them towed around behind ODOT dump trucks over the years here in Oregon. If I understand your post correctly, it sounds like it is equipped with an automatic transmission and you need to replace the flex plate that the starter ring gear is welded to. If it is an automatic then you would not have a pilot bearing or an input shaft. The flexplate takes the place of the flywheel that you would have with a normal standard transmission. Does this sound like what you have there?
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Mon, Apr 22, 2019 8:31 AM
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Jack,
I have never worked on a Scoopmobile but I have seen lots of them towed around behind ODOT dump trucks over the years here in Oregon. If I understand your post correctly, it sounds like it is equipped with an automatic transmission and you need to replace the flex plate that the starter ring gear is welded to. If it is an automatic then you would not have a pilot bearing or an input shaft. The flexplate takes the place of the flywheel that you would have with a normal standard transmission. Does this sound like what you have there?
Hi dead axle,
No, it's much more convoluted than that. Scoopmobile used drive components from the Dodge truck line but with some variations. There is no flex plate. The ring gear is welded around the fluid coupler. The fluid coupler is bolted to the end of the crankshaft. On the back of the fluid coupler (front as seen on the Scoop) there is a friction face, then a lined clutch disk, then a conventional clutch cover and throwout bearing. It is a small clutch but it works. Plugged into the whole mess is a 4-speed light truck transmission (Dodge) but with a reverser gear, unsynchromeshed all. Then comes a drive line of two U-joints almost end-to-end, and the deferential.

What I don't know and can't quite see in illustrations, is how far that transmission input shaft goes into the clutch/fluid coupler before it finds a pilot bearing. Something has to hold all of that considerable spinning weight in a straight line. I am avoiding removing the drive axle for working room. I have barely enough room in my shop for that, plus blocking up the bucket, plus blocking up the front end of the chassis. It is a three wheel machine; you would have two-thirds of it up on blocks and you still need room under to take it apart, work a transmission jack, etc.

In the meantime, I'm still surfing the net for any info I can find on Scoopmobile, Chrysler industrial, fluid/stick drives, etc. I would love to find a shop that knew the job and had a bridge crane.

Thanks for giving it try,

Jack
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Mon, Apr 22, 2019 9:42 AM
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Hi dead axle,
No, it's much more convoluted than that. Scoopmobile used drive components from the Dodge truck line but with some variations. There is no flex plate. The ring gear is welded around the fluid coupler. The fluid coupler is bolted to the end of the crankshaft. On the back of the fluid coupler (front as seen on the Scoop) there is a friction face, then a lined clutch disk, then a conventional clutch cover and throwout bearing. It is a small clutch but it works. Plugged into the whole mess is a 4-speed light truck transmission (Dodge) but with a reverser gear, unsynchromeshed all. Then comes a drive line of two U-joints almost end-to-end, and the deferential.

What I don't know and can't quite see in illustrations, is how far that transmission input shaft goes into the clutch/fluid coupler before it finds a pilot bearing. Something has to hold all of that considerable spinning weight in a straight line. I am avoiding removing the drive axle for working room. I have barely enough room in my shop for that, plus blocking up the bucket, plus blocking up the front end of the chassis. It is a three wheel machine; you would have two-thirds of it up on blocks and you still need room under to take it apart, work a transmission jack, etc.

In the meantime, I'm still surfing the net for any info I can find on Scoopmobile, Chrysler industrial, fluid/stick drives, etc. I would love to find a shop that knew the job and had a bridge crane.

Thanks for giving it try,

Jack
Ok count me as clueless on this one! That sounds like an engineering marvel! Sorry I couldn't help.
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Mon, Apr 22, 2019 9:51 AM
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