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supertiga
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Hi All

Came back to edit post title---no can do
should read dumb questions, and old fuel and gasoline.

The service manual i have is pre power shift!!

Back with more silly questions.😕

D-6C power shift transmission fluid.
The original spec was CO.
My memory thinks it remembers that this was changed to universal tractor fluid??
What is currently in it smells like Hyd oil(univ tractor fluid?)

Final drives originally called for CO---in the day of straight 30W.
Last I remember (1991) we used 15-40W.
also the full level on final drives--to bottom of fill plug???

Hate to ask such questions but the memory isn't what it used to be.

If its ok to ask in this thread(will start new thread in needed)
Old diesel fuel stored since about 91.
I have about 300 gals of it that I am considering using in the D-6.
I can strain it to make sure it is free of solids and have thought about adding a small amount of gasoline to it!!???
Found this discussion on the subject
http://www.heavyequipmentforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=8540&highlight=transmission+fluid
any opinions?

Thanks for all the help in past! Has made life easier!

David
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Tue, Jun 23, 2009 1:06 AM
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The HEF forum has some interesting stories .. and I'll wager there's a lot more that won't get told about fuel cross-contamination and mixups.
Just remember these factors. One - oil companies regard diesel older than 12 mths old as past its "use-by" date. It doesn't mean that it's unuseable .. it just means that it likely has become discoloured, lost many of its volatile ingredients that assist with easy starting .. possibly become contaminated with water (via condensation), microbial growth, rust, and general degradation of cetane rating.

Two - gasoline added to diesel reduces diesel lubricity - read increased injection pump wear. High grade kerosine is a far better additive to diesel.

Three - if you really need to burn that old diesel in your Cat, filter it thoroughly and dilute it with much new diesel. Buy new diesel and add a few gallons of the old diesel to every tank of new diesel.

Re the oils .. much has changed by way of oil chemistry and recommendations since the 1960's. Oils are much improved, particularly in the last 20 years or so. Cats recommendations have changed markedly in the last 30 years.

Use Cat powershift transmission oil in the transmission (TDTO) .. http://www.cat.com/parts/oils

These new oils are formulated for Cat powershift transmissions, and prolong their life. In the old days, the Series 3 oils wouldn't give you 2/3rds the transmission lifespan, that these new oils produce.

Final drive recommended oils are now gear oils - and the same applies as above. Yes, bottom of the fill opening is correct level. You are also well advised, to drain the finals, refill with diesel and run the tractor backwards and forwards for 30-50 yds in 3rd gear, to wash out all the metal particles.
Drain and refill with good quality gear oil of 80-90 wt. You should flush the finals every 1000 hrs, it greatly prolongs bearing life.
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Tue, Jun 23, 2009 10:19 AM
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The HEF forum has some interesting stories .. and I'll wager there's a lot more that won't get told about fuel cross-contamination and mixups.
Just remember these factors. One - oil companies regard diesel older than 12 mths old as past its "use-by" date. It doesn't mean that it's unuseable .. it just means that it likely has become discoloured, lost many of its volatile ingredients that assist with easy starting .. possibly become contaminated with water (via condensation), microbial growth, rust, and general degradation of cetane rating.

Two - gasoline added to diesel reduces diesel lubricity - read increased injection pump wear. High grade kerosine is a far better additive to diesel.

Three - if you really need to burn that old diesel in your Cat, filter it thoroughly and dilute it with much new diesel. Buy new diesel and add a few gallons of the old diesel to every tank of new diesel.

Re the oils .. much has changed by way of oil chemistry and recommendations since the 1960's. Oils are much improved, particularly in the last 20 years or so. Cats recommendations have changed markedly in the last 30 years.

Use Cat powershift transmission oil in the transmission (TDTO) .. http://www.cat.com/parts/oils

These new oils are formulated for Cat powershift transmissions, and prolong their life. In the old days, the Series 3 oils wouldn't give you 2/3rds the transmission lifespan, that these new oils produce.

Final drive recommended oils are now gear oils - and the same applies as above. Yes, bottom of the fill opening is correct level. You are also well advised, to drain the finals, refill with diesel and run the tractor backwards and forwards for 30-50 yds in 3rd gear, to wash out all the metal particles.
Drain and refill with good quality gear oil of 80-90 wt. You should flush the finals every 1000 hrs, it greatly prolongs bearing life.
had written for the old mechanical systems that a small percentage of gasoline would reduce gelling and assist starting in cold winters.
I complained to a German guy and he told me they do it all the time over there in all the Diesels. (Good enough for me)
As far as old fuel in a storage tank that is filled full, condensation should be minimal and in a stable environment, not sitting in the sun but buried or in a basement so the temperature would be realatively stable.
I do AGREE that a good anti-microbial/water treament would be a good idea. In an old tractor, I would filter it and use it, though I would mix it 50/50 as long as its summer time. In winter I would drop back to 10 to 20%.
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Tue, Jun 23, 2009 5:51 PM
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had written for the old mechanical systems that a small percentage of gasoline would reduce gelling and assist starting in cold winters.
I complained to a German guy and he told me they do it all the time over there in all the Diesels. (Good enough for me)
As far as old fuel in a storage tank that is filled full, condensation should be minimal and in a stable environment, not sitting in the sun but buried or in a basement so the temperature would be realatively stable.
I do AGREE that a good anti-microbial/water treament would be a good idea. In an old tractor, I would filter it and use it, though I would mix it 50/50 as long as its summer time. In winter I would drop back to 10 to 20%.
Thanks!

Oz--have no clue why google wouldn't find that CAT page.

Using the old fuel is kinda scary as expensive as CATs are to repair.
Fuel aint cheep neither!
May try it with some ATF added ,with good straining and mixed with fresh.
I usually fill filters with ATF when changing them to lube and clean pump and injectors.

MAN! this thing purrs like a CAT!!😎
Currently on fuel about as old as what I have stored plus some ATF.

Thanks guys!

David.
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Tue, Jun 23, 2009 9:48 PM
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