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HELLO THERE I JUST JOINED ACMOC THIS EVENING. I HAVE BEEN CHECKING IT OUT FOR AWHILE. I GOT A D4 SERIAL # 2T9745sp DOZER WITH 3107 HOURS ON HER WITH A LAPLANT-CHOATE BLADE. THIS DOZER HAS BEEN IN THE FAMILY FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS. 20 YEARS AGO WHEN EVER I TRIED TO USE IT I WOULD FIRE HER UP DRIVE UP IN THE WOODS AND AS SOON AS I STOPPED IT WOULDNT MOVE. AFTER WAITING 2 FULL DAYS SHE WOULD ENGAGE AND I WOULD DRIVE HER HOME GET TO THE SHED AND STOP THEN WAIT 2 MORE DAYS JUST TO BACK HER IN. FINALLY GAVE UP. NOW THAT MY BOY IS ALMOST 18 I FIGURED IT WAS TIME TO SEE IF I COULD GET HER GOING AND FIX HER. ABOUT A WEEK AGO WENT TO SEE IF SHE WOULD TURN OVER. PONY HAD NO FIRE. TOOK OUT THE MAG AND CLEANED AND SET THE POINTS. GOT ON THIS SIGHT AND READ HOW TO TIME IT. NEXT NIGHT PUT MAG IN,GAVE HER A SHOT OF GAS AND SHE ONLY BACKFIRED. MY OLDER AND WISER BROTHER FIGURED OUT REAL QUICK I HAD THE PLUG WIRES BACKWARDS. SWAPPED WIRES AND WITHIN 10 SECONDS THE PONY WAS RUNNING ON HER OWN. MY BROTHER SAID GIVE THE DIESEL A SHOT OF EITHER 2 LITTLE SHOTS LATER AND THE OLD GIRL CAME TO LIFE AFTER 20 YEARS IT WAS AWESOME COULDNT BELIEVE IT AFTER ABOUT 3 MINUTES THE SMOKE CLEARED AND SHE PURRED LIKE A KITTEN. 2 NIGHTS LATER FIRED RIGHT BACK UP THE HYDRAULICS WORKED AND I DROVE HER FORWARD AND BACK DIDNT DARE GO TO FAR BECAUSE OF THE REASON I ORIGINALLY PARKED IT. PLUS ITS 20 DEGREES OUT AND RUNNING ON 20 YEAR OLD OIL AND DIESEL. DOES ANYBODY OUT THERE HAVE ANY CLUES TO WHY SHE WILL GO STRONG WHEN YOU START HER AND ONCE YOU STOP NOT MOVE. ONE THEORY I'VE BEEN TOLD IS MAYBE THE REAR MAIN SEAL IS DRIPPING ON CLUTCH. ANY INFO WOULD BE GREATFULLY APPRECIATED. THANKS
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Tue, Dec 23, 2014 9:08 AM
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There should be an inspection cover where you would reach in from the top to adjust the clutch. Unbolt it to look down in the clutch housing to see if there is oil/water in the bellhousing. If there is, then crawl underneath to find the drain plug on the bottom of the bell housing. Remove it after you do a Search here to get the correct size bolt/nut combination to make a big Allen Wrench. Drain the fluids out, then put the plug back in, pour about a gallon of Kerosene/Diesel in there with it running to wash the oil/crud out. After about 5minutes of the clutch throwing the wash around, immediately crawl underneath to drain it again. Let the engine run for a bit to throw any excess out of the clutch mechanism. Drip Drain overnight, then replace plug. Actually if you are not driving it through water, you can drill a 1/4" hole in the plug and put a 1/8" cotter pin it so it will drain all the time. The cotter pin will rattle around keeping the hole from plugging! Adjust the clutch for proper engagement after searching here for the proper way to do that. You should be good to go!
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This was taken from memory without consulting the proper manuals but I am pretty sure you will find a drain plug underneath the bellhousing.
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Tue, Dec 23, 2014 9:59 AM
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There should be an inspection cover where you would reach in from the top to adjust the clutch. Unbolt it to look down in the clutch housing to see if there is oil/water in the bellhousing. If there is, then crawl underneath to find the drain plug on the bottom of the bell housing. Remove it after you do a Search here to get the correct size bolt/nut combination to make a big Allen Wrench. Drain the fluids out, then put the plug back in, pour about a gallon of Kerosene/Diesel in there with it running to wash the oil/crud out. After about 5minutes of the clutch throwing the wash around, immediately crawl underneath to drain it again. Let the engine run for a bit to throw any excess out of the clutch mechanism. Drip Drain overnight, then replace plug. Actually if you are not driving it through water, you can drill a 1/4" hole in the plug and put a 1/8" cotter pin it so it will drain all the time. The cotter pin will rattle around keeping the hole from plugging! Adjust the clutch for proper engagement after searching here for the proper way to do that. You should be good to go!
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This was taken from memory without consulting the proper manuals but I am pretty sure you will find a drain plug underneath the bellhousing.
Hi Oldbluecat. Thanks for becoming a member of ACMOC and helping support our hobby. If you fill out your profile with where you live so it shows up in the right hand corner of your posts, there is a good chance that there will be other members in your area that could take a look and potientually give you some good advice also.

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Tue, Dec 23, 2014 10:35 PM
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Hi Oldbluecat. Thanks for becoming a member of ACMOC and helping support our hobby. If you fill out your profile with where you live so it shows up in the right hand corner of your posts, there is a good chance that there will be other members in your area that could take a look and potientually give you some good advice also.

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Thanks for the responses i'm sure i will use this forum a lot more in the future getting this dozer back in to shape.
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Wed, Dec 24, 2014 7:02 AM
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Thanks for the responses i'm sure i will use this forum a lot more in the future getting this dozer back in to shape.
Druinjin- you're right there is a "plug" in the bottom of the bell housing as well as a inspection cover on the lower right hand side, if you're sitting in the seat, should be just below track height.

another thought is, how often and how much does the big oiler cup, which if memory serves is between the gear selector and firewall, get filled? and should the plug in the bottom of the bellhousing be removed every now and then to allow any excess oil to drain? my thought is if there's a pool of oil laying in the bottom of the thing, even a small one, while sitting most of the friction material will be dry, however once spinning/running the oil will get flung around therefore coating and soaking into the frictions causing them to slip.
1935 Caterpillar
Twenty-Two Citrus(or low top seat orchard)
serial number:2F2204
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Wed, Dec 24, 2014 6:21 PM
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Druinjin- you're right there is a "plug" in the bottom of the bell housing as well as a inspection cover on the lower right hand side, if you're sitting in the seat, should be just below track height.

another thought is, how often and how much does the big oiler cup, which if memory serves is between the gear selector and firewall, get filled? and should the plug in the bottom of the bellhousing be removed every now and then to allow any excess oil to drain? my thought is if there's a pool of oil laying in the bottom of the thing, even a small one, while sitting most of the friction material will be dry, however once spinning/running the oil will get flung around therefore coating and soaking into the frictions causing them to slip.
You are correct in that those plugs should indeed be removed on a regular basis to drain any contaminates(condensed water, oil, rain water) out! I have been working on a 22 as of late and noticed a few leaks here and there due to the transmission being slightly overfull. Crawling underneath to see if this particular Gas CAT had a drain plug in the same spot proved, "No". I drilled a hole in the Bellhousing to see what would drain out, which proved to be a small amount of oil. By drilling it at 5/16" leaves me being able to put a cotter pin in it so it will drain all the time or tapping it to 3/8"NC to screw a small bolt in to make it water tight. This tractor will never go through any water holes, hence I will probably cotter pin it.
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Wed, Dec 24, 2014 8:05 PM
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There should be an inspection cover where you would reach in from the top to adjust the clutch. Unbolt it to look down in the clutch housing to see if there is oil/water in the bellhousing. If there is, then crawl underneath to find the drain plug on the bottom of the bell housing. Remove it after you do a Search here to get the correct size bolt/nut combination to make a big Allen Wrench. Drain the fluids out, then put the plug back in, pour about a gallon of Kerosene/Diesel in there with it running to wash the oil/crud out. After about 5minutes of the clutch throwing the wash around, immediately crawl underneath to drain it again. Let the engine run for a bit to throw any excess out of the clutch mechanism. Drip Drain overnight, then replace plug. Actually if you are not driving it through water, you can drill a 1/4" hole in the plug and put a 1/8" cotter pin it so it will drain all the time. The cotter pin will rattle around keeping the hole from plugging! Adjust the clutch for proper engagement after searching here for the proper way to do that. You should be good to go!
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This was taken from memory without consulting the proper manuals but I am pretty sure you will find a drain plug underneath the bellhousing.
[quote="drujinin"]there should be an inspection cover where you would reach in from the top to adjust the clutch. Unbolt it to look down in the clutch housing to see if there is oil/water in the bellhousing. If there is, then crawl underneath to find the drain plug on the bottom of the bell housing. Remove it after you do a search here to get the correct size bolt/nut combination to make a big allen wrench. Drain the fluids out, then put the plug back in, pour about a gallon of kerosene/diesel in there with it running to wash the oil/crud out. After about 5minutes of the clutch throwing the wash around, immediately crawl underneath to drain it again. Let the engine run for a bit to throw any excess out of the clutch mechanism. Drip drain overnight, then replace plug. Actually if you are not driving it through water, you can drill a 1/4" hole in the plug and put a 1/8" cotter pin it so it will drain all the time. The cotter pin will rattle around keeping the hole from plugging! Adjust the clutch for proper engagement after searching here for the proper way to do that. You should be good to go!
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this was taken from memory without consulting the proper manuals but i am pretty sure you will find a drain plug underneath the bellhousing.[/quote]

pulled the cover everything seems to be dry but it has sat for 20 years. Any advice on how to adjust the clutch its a d4 2t thanks in advance if any buddy has any advice. Ryan
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