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Old d2.......what was it originally used for

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Looking for some opinions or a history lesson maybe. 5j6209sp. I believe 1946 model. Looks to be od green our green primer showing thru. Appears to be some numbers stenciled in the side is the head in the green paint. Fifth gear is blocked out ( welded shut slot on the gear shift) I have my suspicions but wanted some other opinions before I voice mine.[attachment=50211]KIMG1136.jpg[/attachment][attachment=50212]KIMG1135.jpg[/attachment][attachment=50213]KIMG1134.jpg[/attachment][attachment=50214]KIMG1133.jpg[/attachment][attachment=50215]KIMG1132.jpg[/attachment][attachment=50211]KIMG1136.jpg[/attachment][attachment=50212]KIMG1135.jpg[/attachment][attachment=50213]KIMG1134.jpg[/attachment][attachment=50214]KIMG1133.jpg[/attachment][attachment=50215]KIMG1132.jpg[/attachment]
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Tue, Aug 7, 2018 5:11 AM
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"Shazam!! I remember that tractor very well!, Sargent Carter got mad at me and said Pyle!!!! weld the fifth gear slot shut! your going to fast with that thing!!"
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Tue, Aug 7, 2018 6:08 AM
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"Shazam!! I remember that tractor very well!, Sargent Carter got mad at me and said Pyle!!!! weld the fifth gear slot shut! your going to fast with that thing!!"
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i have not pulled the cover from the trans yet to count teeth on gears, but my suspicion is that it has the faster 3 4 gear option. Could that be what the sp (special purpose) in the serial number means. Current owner (my boss) has had it a few years, bought it as a runner that needed a little tlc to the pony motor (don't they all). With a little pressure washing here and there over time, the stenciled numbers on the side of the block are starting to show thru a little more at a time (although not totally readable yet). My assumption is that this unit may have been "leftover" from the war effort and possibly used by forestry service or some army corp work. It has pto, but no hydraulics or electric setup. It was purchased in southern illinois at auction. Assuming it hasn't made any cross country trips in its early life, it is possible that it was used in the shawnee national forest when new. I have seen other makes of equipment with block stenciled numbers painted on them that were definitely military used tractors. I assume forestry also marked there tractors. Really just wondering if any of you have seen anything like this on any of your toys
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Tue, Aug 7, 2018 6:36 AM
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Reply to Rome K/G:
"Shazam!! I remember that tractor very well!, Sargent Carter got mad at me and said Pyle!!!! weld the fifth gear slot shut! your going to fast with that thing!!"
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My 1944 5J from Michigan was Olive Drab also with a serial number around 64XX. All tractors built during the War years were Olive Drab from the factory as they didn't know where it was going. Yours does appear to have Military Stock Numbers. I repainted it back to Olive Drab last year as I figured that is what it started its life as!
It was early when I typed 1947, should have been 1944! My John Deere is 1947, my D2 is 1944!

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Tue, Aug 7, 2018 6:37 AM
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My 1944 5J from Michigan was Olive Drab also with a serial number around 64XX. All tractors built during the War years were Olive Drab from the factory as they didn't know where it was going. Yours does appear to have Military Stock Numbers. I repainted it back to Olive Drab last year as I figured that is what it started its life as!
It was early when I typed 1947, should have been 1944! My John Deere is 1947, my D2 is 1944!

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[quote="drujinin"]My 1947 5J from Michigan was Olive Drab also with a serial number around 64XX. All tractors built during the War years were Olive Drab from the factory as they didn't know where it was going. Yours does appear to have Military Stock Numbers. I repainted it back to Olive Drab last year as I figured that is what it started its life as!

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this one is gonna stay in working clothes for now anyway. It has a lot of wear on the rails. He has three others (5u series) all with electric start pony motors.....that makes things so much nicer.....and they really only get played with once a year at a local tractor show.
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Tue, Aug 7, 2018 6:41 AM
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[quote="drujinin"]My 1947 5J from Michigan was Olive Drab also with a serial number around 64XX. All tractors built during the War years were Olive Drab from the factory as they didn't know where it was going. Yours does appear to have Military Stock Numbers. I repainted it back to Olive Drab last year as I figured that is what it started its life as!

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this one is gonna stay in working clothes for now anyway. It has a lot of wear on the rails. He has three others (5u series) all with electric start pony motors.....that makes things so much nicer.....and they really only get played with once a year at a local tractor show.
The Cat serial number reference book indicates that tractors 5J6159 to 5J7000 were built in 1944, so yours is well with the War Effort years, and as drujinin already pointed out, all Cat tractors built during that time left the factory in OD green (interesting fact, absolutely NO D2's were built in 1943, again due to the War Effort). Why 5th gear is blocked out is a mystery to me, but I'm sure there is a story behind it if they went to the trouble to do it. The stenciling on the cylinder head is very similar to what I've found painted on NOS military replacement parts I've sourced from various places over the years, but all the ones I've had all had the Cat part numbers stenciled amongst the lettering. I can't quite make out what all is stenciled on that cylinder head though from the picture.
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Tue, Aug 7, 2018 9:56 AM
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The Cat serial number reference book indicates that tractors 5J6159 to 5J7000 were built in 1944, so yours is well with the War Effort years, and as drujinin already pointed out, all Cat tractors built during that time left the factory in OD green (interesting fact, absolutely NO D2's were built in 1943, again due to the War Effort). Why 5th gear is blocked out is a mystery to me, but I'm sure there is a story behind it if they went to the trouble to do it. The stenciling on the cylinder head is very similar to what I've found painted on NOS military replacement parts I've sourced from various places over the years, but all the ones I've had all had the Cat part numbers stenciled amongst the lettering. I can't quite make out what all is stenciled on that cylinder head though from the picture.
I'm guessing that 5th gear was blocked out to keep the jockeys from driving to fast and accelerating wear to the tracks. Many of the older D8s have high gear blocked out as well. I don't remember the percentage but I read one time what the increased amount of wear was when traveling faster. It was a huge wear difference between 4th and 5th on a D8.
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Tue, Aug 7, 2018 10:09 AM
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I'm guessing that 5th gear was blocked out to keep the jockeys from driving to fast and accelerating wear to the tracks. Many of the older D8s have high gear blocked out as well. I don't remember the percentage but I read one time what the increased amount of wear was when traveling faster. It was a huge wear difference between 4th and 5th on a D8.
Track wear increases exponentially with speed, so it is always wise to travel slower rather than faster, increase the load at a slower speed. Top gear is always murder on tracks.

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Tue, Aug 7, 2018 12:52 PM
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Track wear increases exponentially with speed, so it is always wise to travel slower rather than faster, increase the load at a slower speed. Top gear is always murder on tracks.

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Hola, Wombat.
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"Top gear is always murder on tracks."
Unquote.

So, Sir, did you ever encounter wunna the 'red peril' TD14s with the 10 MPH top gear? Bet that did'em a LOTTTA good. NOT. LOL.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Tue, Aug 7, 2018 3:30 PM
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Hola, Wombat.
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"Top gear is always murder on tracks."
Unquote.

So, Sir, did you ever encounter wunna the 'red peril' TD14s with the 10 MPH top gear? Bet that did'em a LOTTTA good. NOT. LOL.

Just my 0.02.
when I bought my 941B 30 years ago the top speed was blocked off and I just left it blocked--never felt the need to go that fast.
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Tue, Aug 7, 2018 6:54 PM
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The Cat serial number reference book indicates that tractors 5J6159 to 5J7000 were built in 1944, so yours is well with the War Effort years, and as drujinin already pointed out, all Cat tractors built during that time left the factory in OD green (interesting fact, absolutely NO D2's were built in 1943, again due to the War Effort). Why 5th gear is blocked out is a mystery to me, but I'm sure there is a story behind it if they went to the trouble to do it. The stenciling on the cylinder head is very similar to what I've found painted on NOS military replacement parts I've sourced from various places over the years, but all the ones I've had all had the Cat part numbers stenciled amongst the lettering. I can't quite make out what all is stenciled on that cylinder head though from the picture.

thank you for the serial number info, i'm not sure what source was used to call it a 46 on our end, but that would make way more sense. and the 5th gear/track wear makes a lot of sense that others have pointed out. Next time i have the hood off, i will try to get better photos/ pay attention to the numbers that are showing on the cylinder head. Lighting is always a trick to get the right contrast to read them in photos.
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Tue, Aug 7, 2018 7:20 PM
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