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Oiling D47U Steering Clutch Throw Out Bearing Lubrication

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The left hand steering clutch of my 1953 D47U is not completely disengaging when I pull the clutch lever back. I have adjusted the clutch several times, and can get some slight improvement but after several left turns it starts to bind again. I am going to do the kerosene flush, and the manual advises to lubricate the throw out bearing afterwords, but provides no guidance on where to do so, or with what type of oil. I am guessing that it is done by removing the half moon shaped casting that is under the clutch, but want to check before removing it. Also, that casting has a plug (perpendicular to the ground) and I was curious about its purpose. The plug to drain the clutch compartment is higher, seems like that lower plug would be more useful but I am missing something, any hints appreciated.

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You say it's a half moon shaped casting.......are you looking at the final drive case that sticks down lower than the steering clutch housing on each side?

There will be gear oil in it if its the final drive. Probably not a bad idea to at least drain a sample of the final drive lube into a clean cup looking for debris and water etc. If it's clean, or just a little water, I usually just screw the plug back in and top it up with new lube. If its dirty, drain completely, perhaps rinse through with diesel or kerosene and then refill.

The steering clutch release bearing oil cups or later grease fittings should be at the floor boards just in front of the seat

When you adjust the steering clutch to improve the disengagement what did you do? Did the free travel in the lever decrease from the normal ~3" at the bottom of the black grip? When it needed readjusting, was it still the same measurement? How do the brakes work?
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Tue, Oct 10, 2017 3:49 AM
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Reply to ccjersey:
You say it's a half moon shaped casting.......are you looking at the final drive case that sticks down lower than the steering clutch housing on each side?

There will be gear oil in it if its the final drive. Probably not a bad idea to at least drain a sample of the final drive lube into a clean cup looking for debris and water etc. If it's clean, or just a little water, I usually just screw the plug back in and top it up with new lube. If its dirty, drain completely, perhaps rinse through with diesel or kerosene and then refill.

The steering clutch release bearing oil cups or later grease fittings should be at the floor boards just in front of the seat

When you adjust the steering clutch to improve the disengagement what did you do? Did the free travel in the lever decrease from the normal ~3" at the bottom of the black grip? When it needed readjusting, was it still the same measurement? How do the brakes work?
Wasn't there a thread back in the spring about a D4 Traxcavator that had bad pinion bearings or bad final drive bearings that had the same symptoms or was that one going dead on one side? Just thinking out loud......
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Tue, Oct 10, 2017 7:51 AM
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Wasn't there a thread back in the spring about a D4 Traxcavator that had bad pinion bearings or bad final drive bearings that had the same symptoms or was that one going dead on one side? Just thinking out loud......
on the operator station there are three oil locations. the first is on the left next to the steering brake and takes transmission oil every ten hours. the next two are just under the front lip of the seat platform on a seat tank model. they are about ten inches apart and about three inches tall with a small spring loaded cap facing forward. these take engine oil and should be given a couple of strokes from an oil can every ten hours. make sure the plugs are removed from the bottom of the steering clutch housing so the excess oil doesn't fill the cavity over the years.
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Tue, Oct 10, 2017 8:14 PM
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Reply to ccjersey:
You say it's a half moon shaped casting.......are you looking at the final drive case that sticks down lower than the steering clutch housing on each side?

There will be gear oil in it if its the final drive. Probably not a bad idea to at least drain a sample of the final drive lube into a clean cup looking for debris and water etc. If it's clean, or just a little water, I usually just screw the plug back in and top it up with new lube. If its dirty, drain completely, perhaps rinse through with diesel or kerosene and then refill.

The steering clutch release bearing oil cups or later grease fittings should be at the floor boards just in front of the seat

When you adjust the steering clutch to improve the disengagement what did you do? Did the free travel in the lever decrease from the normal ~3" at the bottom of the black grip? When it needed readjusting, was it still the same measurement? How do the brakes work?
[quote="ccjersey"]You say it's a half moon shaped casting.......are you looking at the final drive case that sticks down lower than the steering clutch housing on each side?

There will be gear oil in it if its the final drive. Probably not a bad idea to at least drain a sample of the final drive lube into a clean cup looking for debris and water etc. If it's clean, or just a little water, I usually just screw the plug back in and top it up with new lube. If its dirty, drain completely, perhaps rinse through with diesel or kerosene and then refill.

The steering clutch release bearing oil cups or later grease fittings should be at the floor boards just in front of the seat

When you adjust the steering clutch to improve the disengagement what did you do? Did the free travel in the lever decrease from the normal ~3" at the bottom of the black grip? When it needed readjusting, was it still the same measurement? How do the brakes work?[/quote]

Yes, the final drive case makes sense, I'm still learning D4 anatomy, and I found the grease fittings, thank you.

There is so much slop in the cluctch lever that its hard to get a good measurment, but it seems to more 3.5 than 3 inch travel
before it engages the trunion. Not much detectable change after adjustment.

When I adjusted the clutch, I tightened the adjusting screw on the trunion until I could not manually move the trunion anymore, then backed off just a bit. I removed the stop bolt, so the stop is now the lever hitting the frame at the seat. I know the left clutch is sticking because if I pull both clutch levers back all the way and then engage the main clutch I see the left track moving before the right track (I believe the right track is only being dragged by the left track when it moves a fraction of a second after the left track).

The brakes are marginal, and probably part of the problem, I am trynging to get the left side steering operational enough to do some end of the year work, and then I plan on changing the brake pads.

Thank you for your helpful response.
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Wed, Oct 11, 2017 12:44 AM
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Wasn't there a thread back in the spring about a D4 Traxcavator that had bad pinion bearings or bad final drive bearings that had the same symptoms or was that one going dead on one side? Just thinking out loud......


I will take a look at that if cleaning the clutch with kerosene doesn't help. Thanks for the reply.
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Wed, Oct 11, 2017 12:45 AM
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on the operator station there are three oil locations. the first is on the left next to the steering brake and takes transmission oil every ten hours. the next two are just under the front lip of the seat platform on a seat tank model. they are about ten inches apart and about three inches tall with a small spring loaded cap facing forward. these take engine oil and should be given a couple of strokes from an oil can every ten hours. make sure the plugs are removed from the bottom of the steering clutch housing so the excess oil doesn't fill the cavity over the years.


I found the oil stations, but the two under the seat lip are grease fittings not oil cups, I will give them a good shot of grease after the kerosene clean. Thanks for your reply.
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Wed, Oct 11, 2017 12:48 AM
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I found the oil stations, but the two under the seat lip are grease fittings not oil cups, I will give them a good shot of grease after the kerosene clean. Thanks for your reply.
i just finished adjusting the steering clutches and brakes on my 6U. went pretty easy and i had one clutch that was tight but only took about 3/4 turn on the adjustment bolt to get a wiggle in the linkage and tight at three inches on the lever. i adjusted the brakes and lubed the bearings under the inspection plate while i was there.
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