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Just checking to see if one of you old timers might have a thought about a oil leak into the coolant on a 3406. We have checked the oil cooler with 150 psi of air from the oil side with no leaking detected, when put back on we are still getting oil into the radiator, any one have any thoughts on the problem... Gib
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Wed, Jan 25, 2012 8:21 PM
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Not at all familiar with the 3406 but gear drive water pumps (if it has one)can be an oil source leak if the seals are bad and the weep hole is clogged.
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Wed, Jan 25, 2012 10:07 PM
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Not at all familiar with the 3406 but gear drive water pumps (if it has one)can be an oil source leak if the seals are bad and the weep hole is clogged.
thanks old magnet, the weeper is free of debris, dry and open this one is kind of a puzzle I had the head off and milled because of a trace of water coming down the inside of the block on the cam side. Do not seem to have that problem any more just the transfer of oil into the coolant .thank you again I enjoy and like to hear any and all suggestions, I always learn something new everyday listening to people even sometimes by the accidental method.. Gib
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Wed, Jan 25, 2012 10:36 PM
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thanks old magnet, the weeper is free of debris, dry and open this one is kind of a puzzle I had the head off and milled because of a trace of water coming down the inside of the block on the cam side. Do not seem to have that problem any more just the transfer of oil into the coolant .thank you again I enjoy and like to hear any and all suggestions, I always learn something new everyday listening to people even sometimes by the accidental method.. Gib
OK, maybe Bob/Ont. will pick up on this one....he usually checks in daily.
Was that head and block crack checked during the milling operation?
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Wed, Jan 25, 2012 11:36 PM
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OK, maybe Bob/Ont. will pick up on this one....he usually checks in daily.
Was that head and block crack checked during the milling operation?
Are you sure it isn't fuel? some 3406's have nozzel adapters that crack and leak fuel into cooling system.
The only other place I can think of is the two yellow orings around the dowel the oil comes up to the rocker shafts through. There is one below and one above the spacer plate. Assuming the cooler and head have been pressure tested. It needs to be oil at lube pressure to get any amount into the coolant.
Later Bob
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Thu, Jan 26, 2012 12:12 AM
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Are you sure it isn't fuel? some 3406's have nozzel adapters that crack and leak fuel into cooling system.
The only other place I can think of is the two yellow orings around the dowel the oil comes up to the rocker shafts through. There is one below and one above the spacer plate. Assuming the cooler and head have been pressure tested. It needs to be oil at lube pressure to get any amount into the coolant.
Later Bob
if you pressure test it it can look ok , but if engine is running and get more hot it can leak,
even heard of wet cilinderbushings were so rusted they leaked tru on other brand engines, but thats not in this case i think,
maybe the oil cooler? is the turbo water cooled? so yes maybe there? a good pressure test is required, take all water out and put pressure on the system with gauges, then it's listening or looking where the leak is, i hope this helps a bit .
for the rest its very good engine the 3406 liked them in the 245 and 375 excavators and 980 loaders , you can run them without valvecovers( in a dry and clean place ofcourse)
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Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:23 AM
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if you pressure test it it can look ok , but if engine is running and get more hot it can leak,
even heard of wet cilinderbushings were so rusted they leaked tru on other brand engines, but thats not in this case i think,
maybe the oil cooler? is the turbo water cooled? so yes maybe there? a good pressure test is required, take all water out and put pressure on the system with gauges, then it's listening or looking where the leak is, i hope this helps a bit .
for the rest its very good engine the 3406 liked them in the 245 and 375 excavators and 980 loaders , you can run them without valvecovers( in a dry and clean place ofcourse)
'sorry i see in your first that oil cooler is good
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Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:25 AM
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Are you sure it isn't fuel? some 3406's have nozzel adapters that crack and leak fuel into cooling system.
The only other place I can think of is the two yellow orings around the dowel the oil comes up to the rocker shafts through. There is one below and one above the spacer plate. Assuming the cooler and head have been pressure tested. It needs to be oil at lube pressure to get any amount into the coolant.
Later Bob
[quote="bob"]Are you sure it isn't fuel? some 3406's have nozzel adapters that crack and leak fuel into cooling system.
The only other place I can think of is the two yellow orings around the dowel the oil comes up to the rocker shafts through. There is one below and one above the spacer plate. Assuming the cooler and head have been pressure tested. It needs to be oil at lube pressure to get any amount into the coolant.
Later Bob[/quote]

Bob, the orings are new on both top and bottom, The head was pressure tested but I suppose it could leak after the casting comes up to operating temp as could the cooler core . I thought I had all of the bases covered when we went back together but I have missed something some where, Thank you for your input every thought helps. Gib
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Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:09 PM
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Reply to 22B:
[quote="bob"]Are you sure it isn't fuel? some 3406's have nozzel adapters that crack and leak fuel into cooling system.
The only other place I can think of is the two yellow orings around the dowel the oil comes up to the rocker shafts through. There is one below and one above the spacer plate. Assuming the cooler and head have been pressure tested. It needs to be oil at lube pressure to get any amount into the coolant.
Later Bob[/quote]

Bob, the orings are new on both top and bottom, The head was pressure tested but I suppose it could leak after the casting comes up to operating temp as could the cooler core . I thought I had all of the bases covered when we went back together but I have missed something some where, Thank you for your input every thought helps. Gib
not sure, but if it has a aircompresser on it for brakes it could be a bad compressor?a pressure test of the cooling system is going to get you there the fastest.another thing could also be a trasmisson cooler, had proplems with those to if this is in a truck? if no way to pressure test your best bet is to pull the head.
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Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:05 AM
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not sure, but if it has a aircompresser on it for brakes it could be a bad compressor?a pressure test of the cooling system is going to get you there the fastest.another thing could also be a trasmisson cooler, had proplems with those to if this is in a truck? if no way to pressure test your best bet is to pull the head.
i worked on a 91 pete with a 3406B getting oil in water. turned out to be a pitted liner. before they bought the truck i noticed small amounts of oil in the water, no water in oil though. they went ahead and bought it and i serviced the truck. about a month later they used the truck and before starting it up checked the oil. it was about three gallons over full.

the hole was down low on the liner. the only thing that made sense to me was the oil ring was forcing lubricating oil on the cylinder wall through the hole in the liner.
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Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:47 AM
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not sure, but if it has a aircompresser on it for brakes it could be a bad compressor?a pressure test of the cooling system is going to get you there the fastest.another thing could also be a trasmisson cooler, had proplems with those to if this is in a truck? if no way to pressure test your best bet is to pull the head.


Thank you for your inputs, the engine is on a power plant (gen set) I did check the cooling system by pressure checking with 17 psi over night after refilling the cooling system before putting the oil pan or oil pump back on not even a drop any where. The head was and still is a suspicion to me, that was the reason for pressure checking it finding no leaks on the pressure bench thought we were safe but may still be a heat related problem.. I did not take out but two sleeves that was in an area of suspicion only to find there was no problem with the sleeves (no liner pitting and no o-ring erosion) I did pressure check the cooling system before the tare down also left the pressure on the system for 24 hours no coolant ever came back through the oil supply (oil pump and filter removed) Thank you guys again for your input Everything and everyone helps thanks, Gib
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