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fred hogan
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I have a waste oil burner in my shop, and one source is from a trucking company. Last year, they had a case or 6 gallon plastic containers, and one broke open, so the decision was made to throw the whole case away, 30 gal total. They put it all in a barrel and there were 5 unbroken plastic containers. It's 10-30 w synthetic oil.
Can this be used for my transmission and clutch oil for D69U? The manual just calls for straight 30 weight oil. fred
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Sat, Aug 31, 2019 12:58 AM
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kinda light for the trans but ok for the oil clutch. I wouldn't go less than 50W for the transmission.
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Sat, Aug 31, 2019 8:29 AM
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Reply to Rome K/G:
kinda light for the trans but ok for the oil clutch. I wouldn't go less than 50W for the transmission.


operation and maintenance instruction booklet calls for SAE30 for above 32 degrees F, and SAE 10 for 10-32 degrees, -10 and below dilute with kerosene. This is recommended for every compartment to include Final Drive, but which could be SAE 80-90 for final drive.

My question goes to whether oil with detergents or synthetic would be acceptable.
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Sat, Aug 31, 2019 11:21 AM
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Reply to Rome K/G:
kinda light for the trans but ok for the oil clutch. I wouldn't go less than 50W for the transmission.


This is good advice. you should look in to the history and effects of Caterpillar oil recommendations.
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Sat, Aug 31, 2019 8:00 PM
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This is good advice. you should look in to the history and effects of Caterpillar oil recommendations.
I run 80-90 gear oil in trans of my 9U works well.
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Sat, Aug 31, 2019 9:17 PM
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Reply to Rome K/G:
kinda light for the trans but ok for the oil clutch. I wouldn't go less than 50W for the transmission.


I plan to use the 80-90 in final drive transmission.
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Sun, Sep 1, 2019 11:41 AM
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Reply to bursitis:


This is good advice. you should look in to the history and effects of Caterpillar oil recommendations.



I do plan to use the 80-90 in final drive. Where do I find this history?
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Sun, Sep 1, 2019 11:46 AM
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I don't know that it's all in one place, but in a nutshell, at some point in the late 60's or early 70's, Caterpillar recommended or at least allowed the use of 30 wt oil in all compartments of their equipment. I think the idea was to simplify maintenance and reduce cost of operation. I'm not sure how successful that ended up being, but I guess it did simplify daily maintenance at least.

Since that time, there have been so many improvements in each special purpose fluid/lubricant/oil that the benefits of using the best one for each use cannot be ignored. I use diesel rated motor oil for the engine, a universal/hytran/TO fluid for oil clutches, powershift transmissions and hydraulic systems and a gear lube for manual transmissions, final drives and other gear boxes. Viscosity of each fluid depends mostly on expected ambient temps the machine will be operated in.
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Sun, Sep 1, 2019 11:39 PM
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I don't know that it's all in one place, but in a nutshell, at some point in the late 60's or early 70's, Caterpillar recommended or at least allowed the use of 30 wt oil in all compartments of their equipment. I think the idea was to simplify maintenance and reduce cost of operation. I'm not sure how successful that ended up being, but I guess it did simplify daily maintenance at least.

Since that time, there have been so many improvements in each special purpose fluid/lubricant/oil that the benefits of using the best one for each use cannot be ignored. I use diesel rated motor oil for the engine, a universal/hytran/TO fluid for oil clutches, powershift transmissions and hydraulic systems and a gear lube for manual transmissions, final drives and other gear boxes. Viscosity of each fluid depends mostly on expected ambient temps the machine will be operated in.
[quote="ccjersey"]I don't know that it's all in one place, but in a nutshell, at some point in the late 60's or early 70's, Caterpillar recommended or at least allowed the use of 30 wt oil in all compartments of their equipment. I think the idea was to simplify maintenance and reduce cost of operation. I'm not sure how successful that ended up being, but I guess it did simplify daily maintenance at least.

Since that time, there have been so many improvements in each special purpose fluid/lubricant/oil that the benefits of using the best one for each use cannot be ignored. I use diesel rated motor oil for the engine, a universal/hytran/TO fluid for oil clutches, powershift transmissions and hydraulic systems and a gear lube for manual transmissions, final drives and other gear boxes. Viscosity of each fluid depends mostly on expected ambient temps the machine will be operated in.[/quote]

Thanks for your input. My free supply of engine synthetic oil, 10-30 is probably no good for transmission and clutch, but ok for engine. So, when I go to Tractor Supply, what am I looking for in Transmission oil, like what is the equivalent of SAE 30 mineral oil or the MIl-L2104A oils? I'm sure Mil-L-2104 is outdated... Also, the final gears I plan to use 80-90, GL5.
Thanks, flyingfred
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Mon, Sep 2, 2019 8:36 AM
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Reply to fred hogan:
[quote="ccjersey"]I don't know that it's all in one place, but in a nutshell, at some point in the late 60's or early 70's, Caterpillar recommended or at least allowed the use of 30 wt oil in all compartments of their equipment. I think the idea was to simplify maintenance and reduce cost of operation. I'm not sure how successful that ended up being, but I guess it did simplify daily maintenance at least.

Since that time, there have been so many improvements in each special purpose fluid/lubricant/oil that the benefits of using the best one for each use cannot be ignored. I use diesel rated motor oil for the engine, a universal/hytran/TO fluid for oil clutches, powershift transmissions and hydraulic systems and a gear lube for manual transmissions, final drives and other gear boxes. Viscosity of each fluid depends mostly on expected ambient temps the machine will be operated in.[/quote]

Thanks for your input. My free supply of engine synthetic oil, 10-30 is probably no good for transmission and clutch, but ok for engine. So, when I go to Tractor Supply, what am I looking for in Transmission oil, like what is the equivalent of SAE 30 mineral oil or the MIl-L2104A oils? I'm sure Mil-L-2104 is outdated... Also, the final gears I plan to use 80-90, GL5.
Thanks, flyingfred
I use 80-90 GL5 in my manual gear boxes--transmissions-final drives-etc
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Mon, Sep 2, 2019 9:52 AM
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Reply to fred hogan:
[quote="ccjersey"]I don't know that it's all in one place, but in a nutshell, at some point in the late 60's or early 70's, Caterpillar recommended or at least allowed the use of 30 wt oil in all compartments of their equipment. I think the idea was to simplify maintenance and reduce cost of operation. I'm not sure how successful that ended up being, but I guess it did simplify daily maintenance at least.

Since that time, there have been so many improvements in each special purpose fluid/lubricant/oil that the benefits of using the best one for each use cannot be ignored. I use diesel rated motor oil for the engine, a universal/hytran/TO fluid for oil clutches, powershift transmissions and hydraulic systems and a gear lube for manual transmissions, final drives and other gear boxes. Viscosity of each fluid depends mostly on expected ambient temps the machine will be operated in.[/quote]

Thanks for your input. My free supply of engine synthetic oil, 10-30 is probably no good for transmission and clutch, but ok for engine. So, when I go to Tractor Supply, what am I looking for in Transmission oil, like what is the equivalent of SAE 30 mineral oil or the MIl-L2104A oils? I'm sure Mil-L-2104 is outdated... Also, the final gears I plan to use 80-90, GL5.
Thanks, flyingfred
[quote="fred hogan"]Thanks for your input. My free supply of engine synthetic oil, 10-30 is probably no good for transmission and clutch, but ok for engine. So, when I go to Tractor Supply, what am I looking for in Transmission oil, like what is the equivalent of SAE 30 mineral oil or the MIl-L2104A oils? I'm sure Mil-L-2104 is outdated... Also, the final gears I plan to use 80-90, GL5.
Thanks, flyingfred[/quote]
I would be cautious I would guess the newer 10-30 will have friction modifiers so it might not be great in the clutch , a bit thin for the engine
and far to thin for the gear box , personalty I run basic old spec 15-40 deo in the engine and oil clutch and 90 wt in the transmission and finals
I think as others said the SAE 30 recommendation was for a short time and was soon changed back to more sensible grades that suited the different applications ...
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