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Dieselholic92
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I know this is way off topic for this group, but I know some of you guys know where the parts are.

We have a Universal 880 Super Senior crusher that we use only a couple months out of the year for producing 3/4" and 1.5" crushed rock. Needless to say a crusher of that vintage has seen a lot of use, about 2 years ago the both the bull gear and pinion that drive the rolls both produced cracks. We didn't run it last year at all because of that while we have been trying to decide what to do with it. The bull gear we can probably notch the spokes out and weld them back in, but I think we will have to try to find a different pinion. I can get you guys pictures and numbers today, but does anyone know where I might be able to find any gears at all for this crusher?

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Tue, Mar 26, 2019 6:47 PM
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Any used gears will have the same problems, better take the bull gear to a good shop and have them weld it, if you don't know how to preheat and weld slowly you will warp it out of round. If you were here in Montana I would make you a new pinion....WA7OPY
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Thu, Mar 28, 2019 9:50 AM
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Any used gears will have the same problems, better take the bull gear to a good shop and have them weld it, if you don't know how to preheat and weld slowly you will warp it out of round. If you were here in Montana I would make you a new pinion....WA7OPY
I have had a few people respond/contact me and I greatly appreciate it! I now have a couple different contacts that could build me a new pinion gear. If anyone is interested in following along while I fix this crusher, then I will continue updating. The only reason I am fixing this old crusher is because we only run it a month or two out of the year, otherwise I would update it. So far my plan is to pull the flywheel off the other end of the pinion shaft, and then pull the shaft out of the crusher with the pinion gear still on it. It has been cobbled together so many times, I talked to the local machine shop and they are going to remachine it for us. The plan is to have them build up the shaft and re-surface it in their lathe. Same with the bore of the pinion gear if it is in good enough shape. And then either machine a key way into the bore and shaft or install a taper lock. I’m hoping to get a start on taking it apart either late this week or next week.

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Tue, Apr 2, 2019 7:41 PM
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I have had a few people respond/contact me and I greatly appreciate it! I now have a couple different contacts that could build me a new pinion gear. If anyone is interested in following along while I fix this crusher, then I will continue updating. The only reason I am fixing this old crusher is because we only run it a month or two out of the year, otherwise I would update it. So far my plan is to pull the flywheel off the other end of the pinion shaft, and then pull the shaft out of the crusher with the pinion gear still on it. It has been cobbled together so many times, I talked to the local machine shop and they are going to remachine it for us. The plan is to have them build up the shaft and re-surface it in their lathe. Same with the bore of the pinion gear if it is in good enough shape. And then either machine a key way into the bore and shaft or install a taper lock. I’m hoping to get a start on taking it apart either late this week or next week.

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taper lock will not hold up....WA7OPY
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Tue, Apr 2, 2019 10:13 PM
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taper lock will not hold up....WA7OPY
Why is that? The impact and vibration?
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Wed, Apr 3, 2019 1:56 AM
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Why is that? The impact and vibration?
The gear was put on with a shrink fit and taper keys to lock it in place when it left the manufacture , a taper lock bushing would not take the intermittent shock and tork, but even if that was not the case, your wall of the gear would be too thin by the time it was bored and keyed. The gear would split open from the key to the root of the gear tooth. Have the shop give the gear a .005 interference fir and taper keys 3/4 inch / ft. It takes a lot to hold the gear in place, set screws will not cut it....WA7OPY
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Wed, Apr 3, 2019 9:58 AM
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The gear was put on with a shrink fit and taper keys to lock it in place when it left the manufacture , a taper lock bushing would not take the intermittent shock and tork, but even if that was not the case, your wall of the gear would be too thin by the time it was bored and keyed. The gear would split open from the key to the root of the gear tooth. Have the shop give the gear a .005 interference fir and taper keys 3/4 inch / ft. It takes a lot to hold the gear in place, set screws will not cut it....WA7OPY
i second that if you can put it on tight and still be able to put it back together then go that way. are you sure you can't just buy a new gear from a place like hub city or Martin hear. that's a simple gear number of teeth, shaft size, key size, and you DP diametrical pitch do you have any part's books for. don't be supersized if you have to go with a straight key as not meany shops can cut a internal taper key. i think a straight key will work. keep filling us in as you go.
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Wed, Apr 3, 2019 10:18 AM
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i second that if you can put it on tight and still be able to put it back together then go that way. are you sure you can't just buy a new gear from a place like hub city or Martin hear. that's a simple gear number of teeth, shaft size, key size, and you DP diametrical pitch do you have any part's books for. don't be supersized if you have to go with a straight key as not meany shops can cut a internal taper key. i think a straight key will work. keep filling us in as you go.
A little behind in posting this but we did get it all apart and to the machine shop. On the flywheel side we had to heat up the cast taper bushing and weld nuts onto the face. Then we put some flat steel behind it and pushed it out with bolts. We did get two new taper bushings for the flywheel.

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Wed, Apr 17, 2019 7:08 PM
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A little behind in posting this but we did get it all apart and to the machine shop. On the flywheel side we had to heat up the cast taper bushing and weld nuts onto the face. Then we put some flat steel behind it and pushed it out with bolts. We did get two new taper bushings for the flywheel.

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We had to drill and tap the key for the bull gear and then we were able to attach a slide hammer to it. Then we heated around it and used the slide hammer to pull it out. The machine shop is making a new key since they made this last one. We were able to torch the wed off the outside of the pinion gear and pull it off. We did have to torch out the bearings on both sides, but we have new bearings on the way, along with the tapered sleeves and retaining nuts.

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