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OEM CATERPILLAR FILTERS, PLASTIC POOR QUALITY- All The Same? Filter Advice-Thoughts

OEM CATERPILLAR FILTERS, PLASTIC POOR QUALITY- All The Same? Filter Advice-Thoughts

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Hello all I am going to go out on a limb here but I can not imagine that I am the only one to doubt the build quality of new Caterpillar plastic filters. All of Caterpillars new OEM filters appear to be built exactly the same regardless of their application on the truck or machine.

In hopes of going with the best quality product I ordered all new filters from Cat for my Cat D7E 48A with pony start. The D7E is a little fun therapeutic project I have been working on this winter as time permits. The tractor has been dormant for many many years. I am working on bringing her back to life!

Upon my removal of the old filters I noticed they were made by Baldwin (Circa 1987), with a beautiful almost hand crafted all metal exterior and interior and metal end caps, all built with the same tank like exceedingly high quality standards that this old D7E was built to. I cant imagine these old Baldwin filters being built any better.

Fast forward to me with great anticipation opening my brand new OEM Caterpillar box of filters. To my disappointment all the filters are built exactly the same. The transmission pressure oil filter, engine pressure oil filter and the fuel injection filter elements are all built the same. I could not help but cringe at the fact that all of the structural parts are made of hard plastic. I have worked around machines all my life. And I regularly cut open and examine filters. Also Cat for some reason does not put a date on their new filters. They are made in the USA, big plus! But plastic everywhere? When plastic heats up from my experience it becomes quite playable and deforms, couple that with the fact of high flow and pressure running through it and fairly strong spring down pressure holding them in place...well I cant help but think that Cat went backwards on these new filters compared to the old Baldwin Filters. The new CAT filters have no outer housing, just a paper element glued to the the plastic end caps. They do have a what appears to be a nylon glued type string wound around the paper element many times to apparently keep the paper folds from distorting under pressure. Oils often enters a filter at a singular point, thus putting localized pressure on a filter. Without a good solid steel or plastic outer shell to protect the paper element I could imagine the filter taking undue stress at that point. I felt like I had just bought a poor quality home made Fram filter at auto zone that might go into a disposable Fiat, Pinto or a Prius. Not a Caterpillar. From what I have seen Donaldson, Baldwin, Wix appear to be built much better.

Any thoughts or advice on the best filters to buy today for Cat or other heavy equipment today?
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Wed, Jan 4, 2017 8:13 AM
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The cartridge filters have been that way for a long time, if you cut open a spin on it is the same thing. I've never had an issue and like them better as they are much easier to cut open than the old perforated metal. They may seem cheap if you have never seen them before, they seem to do their job just fine.
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Wed, Jan 4, 2017 8:22 AM
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Reply to DPete:
The cartridge filters have been that way for a long time, if you cut open a spin on it is the same thing. I've never had an issue and like them better as they are much easier to cut open than the old perforated metal. They may seem cheap if you have never seen them before, they seem to do their job just fine.
It is hard to compare any filter to Baldwin. Our old CAT dealer in So Cal was Shepherd Machinery. They were a Baldwin warehouse distributor. As a fleet manager with 1300 vehicles, i only used Baldwin filters, bought at Shepherd Machinery.
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Wed, Jan 4, 2017 10:20 AM
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Reply to oldbeek:
It is hard to compare any filter to Baldwin. Our old CAT dealer in So Cal was Shepherd Machinery. They were a Baldwin warehouse distributor. As a fleet manager with 1300 vehicles, i only used Baldwin filters, bought at Shepherd Machinery.
My filter use has been all Wix with the exception of the sock type fuel filters where Baldwin has a better price. No complaints here. I do have a few old stock Cat filters but I seem to save them for some reason.
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Wed, Jan 4, 2017 10:34 AM
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My filter use has been all Wix with the exception of the sock type fuel filters where Baldwin has a better price. No complaints here. I do have a few old stock Cat filters but I seem to save them for some reason.
Those 'cheap' Cat filters with bonded in plastic ends are far superior to the glued on steel ends which are more prone to separate and Cat filters have pleat separators to maintain maximum paper surface area for filtering. Oil comes in at the end of the filter around the outside, through the paper and back through the inside and out one end. It does not flow in against the paper at one point as a collapsed element with no separators would suggest.
I've seen most of then cut open and compared over the last half century and the genuine Cat filter made over the last 30 years are the best. I would not risk an expensive breakdown for the sake of a couple of dollars on the price of a filter.
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Thu, Jan 5, 2017 5:13 AM
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Those 'cheap' Cat filters with bonded in plastic ends are far superior to the glued on steel ends which are more prone to separate and Cat filters have pleat separators to maintain maximum paper surface area for filtering. Oil comes in at the end of the filter around the outside, through the paper and back through the inside and out one end. It does not flow in against the paper at one point as a collapsed element with no separators would suggest.
I've seen most of then cut open and compared over the last half century and the genuine Cat filter made over the last 30 years are the best. I would not risk an expensive breakdown for the sake of a couple of dollars on the price of a filter.
Think of it this way, that style you refer to is the current style, how many hundreds of thousands of them are in service? if there was an issue how much feedback would Cat get back and quickly? What is the highest turn parts at a dealership that makes them revenue? filters.

If there was an issue they wouldnt be out there...full stop.

They are fine and will do the job day in day out, use em.
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Sun, Jan 8, 2017 10:33 AM
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Think of it this way, that style you refer to is the current style, how many hundreds of thousands of them are in service? if there was an issue how much feedback would Cat get back and quickly? What is the highest turn parts at a dealership that makes them revenue? filters.

If there was an issue they wouldnt be out there...full stop.

They are fine and will do the job day in day out, use em.
When I was still working for the Cat Dealer, filters were their lowest profit margin item, and we discounted them in bulk purchases,
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Sun, Jan 8, 2017 4:02 PM
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When I was still working for the Cat Dealer, filters were their lowest profit margin item, and we discounted them in bulk purchases,
dunno about everyone else in Australia but I have used RYCO filters sine the begining have tried some other brands when RYCO is out of stock had a dud last time I did cant remember the brand but the thread wasnt formed right didnt realize this till it was full of oil all to late then but RYCO for me all the way

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Sun, Jan 8, 2017 6:23 PM
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dunno about everyone else in Australia but I have used RYCO filters sine the begining have tried some other brands when RYCO is out of stock had a dud last time I did cant remember the brand but the thread wasnt formed right didnt realize this till it was full of oil all to late then but RYCO for me all the way

Paul
I was a Parts Mgr 20 years ago..Automotive. Sold 2 million filters a year storewide...Paid 51ยข a piece, started at $2.88,2.59 ,$1.99..,if too many unsold at 1\2 year. $1.49..Dumped at Xmas for 88 cents!!!!Average 1.50...300%%!!
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Mon, Jan 9, 2017 5:50 AM
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Those 'cheap' Cat filters with bonded in plastic ends are far superior to the glued on steel ends which are more prone to separate and Cat filters have pleat separators to maintain maximum paper surface area for filtering. Oil comes in at the end of the filter around the outside, through the paper and back through the inside and out one end. It does not flow in against the paper at one point as a collapsed element with no separators would suggest.
I've seen most of then cut open and compared over the last half century and the genuine Cat filter made over the last 30 years are the best. I would not risk an expensive breakdown for the sake of a couple of dollars on the price of a filter.
[QUOTE=catsilver;178808]Those 'cheap' Cat filters with bonded in plastic ends are far superior to the glued on steel ends which are more prone to separate and Cat filters have pleat separators to maintain maximum paper surface area for filtering. Oil comes in at the end of the filter around the outside, through the paper and back through the inside and out one end. It does not flow in against the paper at one point as a collapsed element with no separators would suggest.
I've seen most of then cut open and compared over the last half century and the genuine Cat filter made over the last 30 years are the best. I would not risk an expensive breakdown for the sake of a couple of dollars on the price of a filter.

Looks like Cat offers more than one filter option for the same application. They offer 4 filter cartridge filter options. They offer 2 of plastic cartridge filter they sell as there "standard" entry level "advanced filter". Then they offer the 2 types old school metal cartridge filter as their most advanced upgrade "Ultra High Efficiency" options. The upgrade look surprisingly like the metal cartridge style Baldwin, Donaldson and Wix filters. I found this very interesting. See the two Caterpillar links below. You must click the right arrows at the bottom of the page/link to see the better filter options Cat offers on the first link below.

https://parts.cat.com/en/catcorp/1R-0719


https://parts.cat.com/CompareProductsDisplayView?storeId=21801&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&compareReturnName=PDP&searchTerm=&categoryId=10013&catentryId=10089;10093;10369;10041&returnUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fparts.cat.com%2Fen%2Fcatcorp%2F1R-0719%3FfromPage%3Dcompare
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Mon, Jan 9, 2017 8:03 AM
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[QUOTE=catsilver;178808]Those 'cheap' Cat filters with bonded in plastic ends are far superior to the glued on steel ends which are more prone to separate and Cat filters have pleat separators to maintain maximum paper surface area for filtering. Oil comes in at the end of the filter around the outside, through the paper and back through the inside and out one end. It does not flow in against the paper at one point as a collapsed element with no separators would suggest.
I've seen most of then cut open and compared over the last half century and the genuine Cat filter made over the last 30 years are the best. I would not risk an expensive breakdown for the sake of a couple of dollars on the price of a filter.

Looks like Cat offers more than one filter option for the same application. They offer 4 filter cartridge filter options. They offer 2 of plastic cartridge filter they sell as there "standard" entry level "advanced filter". Then they offer the 2 types old school metal cartridge filter as their most advanced upgrade "Ultra High Efficiency" options. The upgrade look surprisingly like the metal cartridge style Baldwin, Donaldson and Wix filters. I found this very interesting. See the two Caterpillar links below. You must click the right arrows at the bottom of the page/link to see the better filter options Cat offers on the first link below.

https://parts.cat.com/en/catcorp/1R-0719


https://parts.cat.com/CompareProductsDisplayView?storeId=21801&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&compareReturnName=PDP&searchTerm=&categoryId=10013&catentryId=10089;10093;10369;10041&returnUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fparts.cat.com%2Fen%2Fcatcorp%2F1R-0719%3FfromPage%3Dcompare
There are really only two choices here when you study the filter applications, best use the number from your parts book or make the parts clerk read is NPR properly.
When Donaldson made Cat filters for them a few years ago and we were also Donaldson dealers, one customer started using Donaldson on Cat engines, so we split open a couple of fuel and oil filters and laid them on his office floor to show the difference, we didn't need to say any more, he bought all Cat filters after.
The difference was obvious a better constructed filter with more filter area and properly bonded pleat separators.
Cat demand filters to their spec from suppliers to protect their machines, filter manufacturers are limited to cost by having to compete with others in the aftermarket while their sole production is filters.
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