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Hi all, My name is Andy and I am new to the forum. I recently purchased a 1936 Cat 22 orchard model. The serial # is 2F7404WS.
I was wandering what the "WS" stood for at the end of the serial. The tractor needs restoration as well as the orchard seat and controls put back on, the previous owner did a top-seat conversion. I am glad to have joined and am looking forward to researching the information available here.
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Wed, Nov 9, 2011 7:56 AM
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Usually W stands for Wide tread version. The S is stamped when "Special parts" are installed as assembled at the factory, could be transmission gears or ???
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Wed, Nov 9, 2011 8:48 AM
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Usually W stands for Wide tread version. The S is stamped when "Special parts" are installed as assembled at the factory, could be transmission gears or ???
so the "S" could be for the Orchard fenders, extended controls and sling-shot seat. It also has what looks to be a fuel heater on the block, behind the carb.
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Wed, Nov 9, 2011 9:07 AM
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so the "S" could be for the Orchard fenders, extended controls and sling-shot seat. It also has what looks to be a fuel heater on the block, behind the carb.
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Andy
Andy, There should be a serial # plate in at least 2 places on your 22, one on the engine and one somewhere on the rear of the tractor. Is there a P after the WS on either serial # plate? My 22 says WSP after the number.
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Wed, Nov 9, 2011 9:32 AM
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Andy, There should be a serial # plate in at least 2 places on your 22, one on the engine and one somewhere on the rear of the tractor. Is there a P after the WS on either serial # plate? My 22 says WSP after the number.
I have not yet found the rear serial plate. I still have to remove the top-seat. The serial number I found was on the engine block, and did not have a "p" at the end.
Andy
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Wed, Nov 9, 2011 10:10 AM
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I'd leave the top seat on.
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Wed, Nov 9, 2011 9:37 PM
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I'd leave the top seat on.
The "WS" may be an error by the fellow at the factory who stamped the s/n plate. The "W" alone should stand for wide gauge. The "SP" afterward would stand for "special parts" as mentioned above. It is possible the fellow somehow didn't get the "P" on the plate. Just a theory.

The top seat is safer to operate than the tail seat. If you want the looks of a tail seat, go ahead and make the change. The tail seat is probably less common. But if you want to operate it to any extent, I'd consider safety too.

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Thu, Nov 10, 2011 2:07 AM
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The "WS" may be an error by the fellow at the factory who stamped the s/n plate. The "W" alone should stand for wide gauge. The "SP" afterward would stand for "special parts" as mentioned above. It is possible the fellow somehow didn't get the "P" on the plate. Just a theory.

The top seat is safer to operate than the tail seat. If you want the looks of a tail seat, go ahead and make the change. The tail seat is probably less common. But if you want to operate it to any extent, I'd consider safety too.

GWH
The previous owner converted to the top-seat for those reasons, but I am going to restore the tractor and mainly use it for show, not real work.
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Thu, Nov 10, 2011 8:59 AM
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The previous owner converted to the top-seat for those reasons, but I am going to restore the tractor and mainly use it for show, not real work.
I have a D2 parts tractor, sn 4U1200SP on the block and 4U1200SPG on the transmission. I'm guessing the "SPG" designates gearing.
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Thu, Nov 10, 2011 10:06 AM
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The "WS" may be an error by the fellow at the factory who stamped the s/n plate. The "W" alone should stand for wide gauge. The "SP" afterward would stand for "special parts" as mentioned above. It is possible the fellow somehow didn't get the "P" on the plate. Just a theory.

The top seat is safer to operate than the tail seat. If you want the looks of a tail seat, go ahead and make the change. The tail seat is probably less common. But if you want to operate it to any extent, I'd consider safety too.

GWH
[quote="gwhdiesel75"]
The top seat is safer to operate than the tail seat. If you want the looks of a tail seat, go ahead and make the change. The tail seat is probably less common. But if you want to operate it to any extent, I'd consider safety too.

GWH[/quote]

That's a good point! The tailseat could launch you like a catapult if you're not careful on rough ground.
Rich Salvaggio
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'46 Willys CJ2A Farm Jeep, '39 Buick sedan, '49 International KB-7, '37 Allis Chalmers WC, Cushman Scooter(s)
Antique garden tractors & outboard motors
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Thu, Nov 10, 2011 10:10 AM
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The top seat is safer to operate than the tail seat. If you want the looks of a tail seat, go ahead and make the change. The tail seat is probably less common. But if you want to operate it to any extent, I'd consider safety too.

GWH[/quote]

That's a good point! The tailseat could launch you like a catapult if you're not careful on rough ground.
Also in backing up the machine if not careful you can crush yourself against objects near-by. I didn't appreciate that potential until operating one of Larry Maasdam's tail seat machines and Rough and Tumble a few years ago. You can do that little trick parking the machine in a row of machines on display. GWH
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