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lil d2
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Hi,This being my 1st post and being a new owner of a D2 I thought I would ask some questions and post a couple picks of it.
The dozer is around a 1950 model the number off the plate on the engine is DU1650.Would the last 2 numbers be the year?
Also the right steering clutch turns awesome very responsive,the left side is not as responsive but still good,is there a way of adjusting them,and how.I have done a JD 1010 before but not a Cat.
while cuttting in some trails the hand clutch went rather loose on the lever next to the gear selecter is there a way of adjusting this to tighten it up?
And last question for now involves the pony engine.Is the starting order pull the pinion (I think that is what you guys refer the small lever as)back,push the electric start let the pony warm the deisel engine.Pull the larger lever forward and shift the switch from start to run.Is this correct?
I am hoping you guys can shed some light on this for me as I love the little machine and would like to start and operate this machine properly,having only owned a JD 1010 deisel crawler.Thanks in advance.

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Mon, Sep 28, 2009 7:31 AM
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Hello, the serial number will not have the year in it, As far as your machine im prtty sure its pre 1950. Someone on here will be able to tell you for sure. As far as the steering clutches, theres a cover under the seat that you take off to adjust the clutch pack. Also check your brakes, they may need to be tightened up on that side to grab the drum better. Thats a 2 bolt cover right about where your feet sit on the pans toward the back. The starting technique that you listed is fine. I would take a look at the oil in the pony to make sure there is no gas in it. Always make sure you run the pony out of gas every time you use it. Lots of pony deaths occur due to dilluted oil.

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Mon, Sep 28, 2009 8:11 AM
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The serial number should be 4Uxxxx, and if the 1650 follows the 4U designation, then it was built in 1949. Other questions you raise can be answered by others. GWH
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Mon, Sep 28, 2009 8:16 AM
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The serial number should be 4Uxxxx, and if the 1650 follows the 4U designation, then it was built in 1949. Other questions you raise can be answered by others. GWH
hi if you can find a operaters manual i think it would be a big help try e bay i was able to get a remake at the cat dealer. it will tell you how to set the steering clutches just hope that the lineings on the clutch are still good and hope your brakebands are still good . not trying to scare you but i bought a d2 and i was green the guy told me that the steering clutches just needed adjustment , turns out all i needed was all new clutches and brake bands good luck keep us informed on your progress.
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Mon, Sep 28, 2009 9:18 AM
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hi if you can find a operaters manual i think it would be a big help try e bay i was able to get a remake at the cat dealer. it will tell you how to set the steering clutches just hope that the lineings on the clutch are still good and hope your brakebands are still good . not trying to scare you but i bought a d2 and i was green the guy told me that the steering clutches just needed adjustment , turns out all i needed was all new clutches and brake bands good luck keep us informed on your progress.
Nice looking little critter. . and good advice in getting an operator's manual. As for the steering brakes/clutches when you open the compartments look for oil and dirt residue in the compartments. Quite often a little oil on the brake bands will result in having to use a lot of foot pressure to get 'em to work. A quick rinse with kerosene per the book might help, then adjust 'em. For the main clutch, there's a little cover that lets you get into the clutch compartment. Tighten the adjuster a hole or two and try it again. The clutch lever should "snap" into engagement with moderate pressure.

My starting procedure is to engage the pinion, then fire up the pony at a fast idle. With the compression released, engage the pinion clutch and let the main turn over a few minutes and check to make sure you have both fuel and oil pressure. Wind the pony up and hit the compression lever and crank 'til you feel the rear of the head getting to about body temp. When you feel that, open the throttle and let 'er rumble to life. Bear in mind the colder it is outside, the longer the cranking time will be.

After the diesel starts, close the pony's fuel valve, disengage the pinion clutch and let the pony run out of gas and finish letting the diesel warm up.
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Mon, Sep 28, 2009 7:54 PM
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Thank-you very much for your replies it is very much appreciated,and yes I do have to get a manual but I have heard there are 2 different ones out with one being better than the other.
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Tue, Sep 29, 2009 5:06 AM
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Thank-you very much for your replies it is very much appreciated,and yes I do have to get a manual but I have heard there are 2 different ones out with one being better than the other.
I never engage the pinion until I'm ready to spin the big motor. It just puts more strain on the starter engine during it's start.

The engaging clutch has a clutch brake to allow the pinion to be engaged after the starter motor is running.

Anyhow thats my thot.
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Tue, Sep 29, 2009 12:15 PM
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I never engage the pinion until I'm ready to spin the big motor. It just puts more strain on the starter engine during it's start.

The engaging clutch has a clutch brake to allow the pinion to be engaged after the starter motor is running.

Anyhow thats my thot.
If the two manuals you mean are the Jensales and the reproduction from Cat, stay away from the Jensales one. It's a poor copy of a poor copy of a copy. You should be able to go to your local Cat dealer and order one there. Not cheap, the last one I got two years ago cost right around $50. The Parts book, the Engine book and Serviceman's Handbook were right around the same price. Spendy but worth it if you plan to do your own work on 'em. Just give the parts guy the serial number for your machine and make SURE when they get there, they're for the correct s/n.

The reason I engage the pinion first is that I'm too lazy to fix the brake in the pinion clutch. .warped plates I'm thinking. Besides now that I've converted to direct start I no longer use the pony except to annoy the neighbors with the cackle of it running once in a while😄
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Tue, Sep 29, 2009 7:41 PM
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If the two manuals you mean are the Jensales and the reproduction from Cat, stay away from the Jensales one. It's a poor copy of a poor copy of a copy. You should be able to go to your local Cat dealer and order one there. Not cheap, the last one I got two years ago cost right around $50. The Parts book, the Engine book and Serviceman's Handbook were right around the same price. Spendy but worth it if you plan to do your own work on 'em. Just give the parts guy the serial number for your machine and make SURE when they get there, they're for the correct s/n.

The reason I engage the pinion first is that I'm too lazy to fix the brake in the pinion clutch. .warped plates I'm thinking. Besides now that I've converted to direct start I no longer use the pony except to annoy the neighbors with the cackle of it running once in a while😄
Just behind the shift levers, in front of the seat is a plate (~12" x 6"). Remove the 6 bolts. Under the plate you will see some linkages and it will be obvious the two adjustment bolts you need to work with (left and right side of opening). Move a clutch lever and watch the linkage. You will need to loosen the clamp and then turn the adjustment bolt. You want to make sure that you do not over tighten things. You want some play in your steering clutch levers. If you take all of the play out, you run the possibility of running the steering clutches partially released. Like riding the clutch in a car by driving around with your foot resting on the clutch pedal. You want to adjust the steering levers so that you have around 1 1/2" of lever movement before they start to disengage the steering clutch.

As someone said above, the brake adjustment plate is down by your heel on each side. You adjust the brake band via the nut in there. Also, under the machine is a bolt that adjusts the centering of the band on the brake drum. By adjusting that bolt at the bottom you press up on the brake band, either raising or lowering it so it is basically center. You probably don't need to mess with the centering bolt, just the band tightening nut.

What you really should do is put that little machine in a box and ship it to me.

Oh, and don't let people talk you into converting to direct start. I don't know why people want to change the machines that way. I feel the pony start lets the diesel get its juices flowing and warm a bit before starting. Probably why the machines live so long. Plus, keep it stock and keep the pony tuned up. My .02.
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Tue, Sep 29, 2009 10:50 PM
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Just behind the shift levers, in front of the seat is a plate (~12" x 6"). Remove the 6 bolts. Under the plate you will see some linkages and it will be obvious the two adjustment bolts you need to work with (left and right side of opening). Move a clutch lever and watch the linkage. You will need to loosen the clamp and then turn the adjustment bolt. You want to make sure that you do not over tighten things. You want some play in your steering clutch levers. If you take all of the play out, you run the possibility of running the steering clutches partially released. Like riding the clutch in a car by driving around with your foot resting on the clutch pedal. You want to adjust the steering levers so that you have around 1 1/2" of lever movement before they start to disengage the steering clutch.

As someone said above, the brake adjustment plate is down by your heel on each side. You adjust the brake band via the nut in there. Also, under the machine is a bolt that adjusts the centering of the band on the brake drum. By adjusting that bolt at the bottom you press up on the brake band, either raising or lowering it so it is basically center. You probably don't need to mess with the centering bolt, just the band tightening nut.

What you really should do is put that little machine in a box and ship it to me.

Oh, and don't let people talk you into converting to direct start. I don't know why people want to change the machines that way. I feel the pony start lets the diesel get its juices flowing and warm a bit before starting. Probably why the machines live so long. Plus, keep it stock and keep the pony tuned up. My .02.
While I am sure 1 1/2" free travel in the steering clutch levers is enough to get by with, the manual says 3". This gives more room for wear in the clutch packs before the free travel disappears. You want enough to completely unload the clutch release bearings so they don't wear prematurely. Look for the two small oil cups for these bearings just in front of the seat if you have an older tractor. Newer models had grease fittings in those locations.

Also keep sticks etc from collecting in front of the levers so they don't return fully forward.

The brake support bolt underneath keeps the band from sagging slightly into an oval when the brake pedal is released. It stays in a circle so it engages with less pedal travel from the completely released point where it no longer drags on the drum.


I have some aftermarket manuals with a grey cover which aren't too bad. Also have some with the yellow covers which have almost useless pictures in them. The text is good on both. I bought them all used so I can't tell who reproduced them. Sounds like the yellow cover ones are probably Jensales. Looks like you will pay about half price for those compared to the CAT legendary equipment literature reprints available from your dealer or direct from the source at
http://www.cat.com/cda/layout?m=90800&x=7

All the new manuals I have seen are 8.5 x 11" format, so the print and pictures are larger. The old manuals when you can find them on ebay, the for sale section here etc are 6 x 9".
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Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:43 AM
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While I am sure 1 1/2" free travel in the steering clutch levers is enough to get by with, the manual says 3". This gives more room for wear in the clutch packs before the free travel disappears. You want enough to completely unload the clutch release bearings so they don't wear prematurely. Look for the two small oil cups for these bearings just in front of the seat if you have an older tractor. Newer models had grease fittings in those locations.

Also keep sticks etc from collecting in front of the levers so they don't return fully forward.

The brake support bolt underneath keeps the band from sagging slightly into an oval when the brake pedal is released. It stays in a circle so it engages with less pedal travel from the completely released point where it no longer drags on the drum.


I have some aftermarket manuals with a grey cover which aren't too bad. Also have some with the yellow covers which have almost useless pictures in them. The text is good on both. I bought them all used so I can't tell who reproduced them. Sounds like the yellow cover ones are probably Jensales. Looks like you will pay about half price for those compared to the CAT legendary equipment literature reprints available from your dealer or direct from the source at
http://www.cat.com/cda/layout?m=90800&x=7

All the new manuals I have seen are 8.5 x 11" format, so the print and pictures are larger. The old manuals when you can find them on ebay, the for sale section here etc are 6 x 9".
On the steering clutch adjustment if i am reading my manuals correctly it seems if you have an older model you adjustment the lever for 3 inches free play when you move the lever forward and the later machines to 1 3/8 free play when you move the lever backwards which i just did to my late model 4U
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Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:08 AM
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