ACMOC
Login
ACMOC
New projects coming home, Thirty and Sixty

New projects coming home, Thirty and Sixty

Showing 1 to 10 of 13 results
1
Mschwartz
Topic Author
Offline
Member
Send a private message to Mschwartz
Posts: 223
Thank you received: 0
Going to add a couple gas cats to the collection. Both will need a lot of work and some parts but should be fun to work on. Both are 1928 models if I read serial number charts correctly. Thirty is the most complete, Sixty missing the intake manifold, air cleaner and vacuum tank. Both are currently stuck. But the good news is I finally have a Sixty. The Allis M needed a new home also.  [attachment=73923]D26F4287-039D-43AA-ADB8-2C15091E9DF9.jpeg[/attachment][attachment=73924]91CD022B-EA0F-484B-A0C9-D3D8867FACD1.jpeg[/attachment][attachment=73925]B73914AD-DE66-4D59-9EFC-A78F0DC70684.jpeg[/attachment][attachment=73926]2CBA6923-8513-49F8-A216-685BE11351EF.jpeg[/attachment][attachment=73927]C0D6392A-64A7-43AB-8F10-5A3FB99555B7.jpeg[/attachment][attachment=73928]84002A2C-1FB6-44BF-95FB-417D11432F09.jpeg[/attachment]
Attachment
Attachment
Attachment
Attachment
Attachment
Attachment
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Mon, Oct 2, 2023 11:55 AM
Deas Plant.
Offline
Member
Send a private message to Deas Plant.
Location: Currently - DowNunda.
Posts: 6,739
Thank you received: 40
Hi, Mschwartz.
Nice catches and congratulations. How-wevver, if the Best radiator on that Sixty is original, I doubt itza a 1928 model. At latest, it would be about a mid-1925, pre-merger in April of 1925.

Nice looking 'Jesus boots' on the M.

Thanks for sharing.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Mon, Oct 2, 2023 5:26 PM
juiceman
Offline
Member
Chapter Leader
Chapter Fifteen
Send a private message to juiceman
Posts: 3,318
Thank you received: 77
Reply to Deas Plant.:
Hi, Mschwartz.
Nice catches and congratulations. How-wevver, if the Best radiator on that Sixty is original, I doubt itza a 1928 model. At latest, it would be about a mid-1925, pre-merger in April of 1925.

Nice looking 'Jesus boots' on the M.

Thanks for sharing.

Just my 0.02.
Congrats: Those tractors should keep you occupied for part of the winter. Looks like (not being nit picky) the tracks are not proper/same direction on the Sixty. Nothing you can't deal with I'm sure. Thank you for sharing your catches and have lots of fun! JM
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Mon, Oct 2, 2023 9:50 PM
Deas Plant.
Offline
Member
Send a private message to Deas Plant.
Location: Currently - DowNunda.
Posts: 6,739
Thank you received: 40
Reply to juiceman:
Congrats: Those tractors should keep you occupied for part of the winter. Looks like (not being nit picky) the tracks are not proper/same direction on the Sixty. Nothing you can't deal with I'm sure. Thank you for sharing your catches and have lots of fun! JM
Hi, juiceman.
WHICH is the right way?????? They look like two different styles of plate, at least to my 'pore, ole, cataracty' eyes. The left side looks to be the newer style plate while the right side looks to be the older pressed style with the grousers built up.

But I do stand 2 b corrected, to quote Swishy.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, Oct 3, 2023 12:28 AM
juiceman
Offline
Member
Chapter Leader
Chapter Fifteen
Send a private message to juiceman
Posts: 3,318
Thank you received: 77
Reply to Deas Plant.:
Hi, juiceman.
WHICH is the right way?????? They look like two different styles of plate, at least to my 'pore, ole, cataracty' eyes. The left side looks to be the newer style plate while the right side looks to be the older pressed style with the grousers built up.

But I do stand 2 b corrected, to quote Swishy.

Just my 0.02.
Deas: I can't tell from here if they are both cast grousers. Maybe we should ask the guys that own motor graders which is the "right" direction.
On the old cast ones I have seen in the past; things as bass ackwards of a newer machine. The grouser would hit the dirt after the sandtraps, not before. What do I know? I don't own any running gas machines to be savvy enough to know. Whatever makes Mr. Schwartz happy works for me! JM
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, Oct 3, 2023 1:48 AM
Deas Plant.
Offline
Member
Send a private message to Deas Plant.
Location: Currently - DowNunda.
Posts: 6,739
Thank you received: 40
Reply to juiceman:
Deas: I can't tell from here if they are both cast grousers. Maybe we should ask the guys that own motor graders which is the "right" direction.
On the old cast ones I have seen in the past; things as bass ackwards of a newer machine. The grouser would hit the dirt after the sandtraps, not before. What do I know? I don't own any running gas machines to be savvy enough to know. Whatever makes Mr. Schwartz happy works for me! JM
Hi, juiceman.
As I understand it, the early ones all had the grouser at the rear. I don't know if this changed before, during or after they went to cast grousers.

A left click will bring up a smaller version of any of these photos and a second left click will enlarge that photo. The right track has pressed plates while the left one has cast plates. Does that make it a 'changeover' machine from April, 1925? LOL.

And I agree, so long as Mschwartz is happy, what else matters?

Hope you're working hard to make up for what I am no longer doing to support your wonderful country.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, Oct 3, 2023 3:36 AM
willwingo
Offline
Member
Send a private message to willwingo
Posts: 491
Thank you received: 5
I don't think that there is a "right" or "wrong" on the Sixty/ Thirty tracks - just different years.

Attached below are 2 pages from Issue 19, April 1996 of the ACMOC bulletin by Dave Smith. The diagrams are reprinted from SL 456, page 44.

I don't know what "the guys that own motograders" has to do with this thread.

 [attachment=73929]grousers cat sixty pg 1.jpg[/attachment]

[attachment=73930]grousers cat sixty pg 2.jpg[/attachment]
Attachment
Attachment
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, Oct 3, 2023 4:02 AM
Deas Plant.
Offline
Member
Send a private message to Deas Plant.
Location: Currently - DowNunda.
Posts: 6,739
Thank you received: 40
Reply to willwingo:
I don't think that there is a "right" or "wrong" on the Sixty/ Thirty tracks - just different years.

Attached below are 2 pages from Issue 19, April 1996 of the ACMOC bulletin by Dave Smith. The diagrams are reprinted from SL 456, page 44.

I don't know what "the guys that own motograders" has to do with this thread.

 [attachment=73929]grousers cat sixty pg 1.jpg[/attachment]

[attachment=73930]grousers cat sixty pg 2.jpg[/attachment]
Attachment
Attachment
Hi, Willwingo.
I have been aware for a long time of the differences in the appearances of the early and later styles of track plates. I just was not aware of a changeover date.

The reference to "the guys that own motograders" has to do with the ongoing arguments about rotational direction for driving and rolling tires on graders and I think juiceman brought it up because of this discussion about 'right' and 'wrong' here to add some levity to the situation.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, Oct 3, 2023 4:56 AM
Wombat
Offline
Member
Donor
Send a private message to Wombat
Posts: 1,010
Thank you received: 0
Reply to Deas Plant.:
Hi, Willwingo.
I have been aware for a long time of the differences in the appearances of the early and later styles of track plates. I just was not aware of a changeover date.

The reference to "the guys that own motograders" has to do with the ongoing arguments about rotational direction for driving and rolling tires on graders and I think juiceman brought it up because of this discussion about 'right' and 'wrong' here to add some levity to the situation.

Just my 0.02.
Flywheel, seat box and recoil springs makes it a Cat 60, my guess is the header tank or the whole radiator have been replaced.

Wombat
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, Oct 3, 2023 7:15 AM
Mschwartz
Topic Author
Offline
Member
Send a private message to Mschwartz
Posts: 223
Thank you received: 0
Reply to Wombat:
Flywheel, seat box and recoil springs makes it a Cat 60, my guess is the header tank or the whole radiator have been replaced.

Wombat
Serial number is 4405A, radiator tank or maybe whole radiator looks to be older to me. Mix match of track pads on the tractor but the rails look good. Found stamped dates for ‘27 or’28 on rear of engine block.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, Oct 3, 2023 8:22 AM
trainzkid88
Offline
Send a private message to trainzkid88
Location: b.berg qld
Posts: 2,303
Thank you received: 33
Reply to Mschwartz:
Serial number is 4405A, radiator tank or maybe whole radiator looks to be older to me. Mix match of track pads on the tractor but the rails look good. Found stamped dates for ‘27 or’28 on rear of engine block.
its really how long is a piece of string? twice the distance from the middle to the end. or paint colours. most of our machinery is painted in a colour called whateverwasinthetin and in the big scheeme of things it really doesnt matter as long as its painted and everything works as it should.

and some times the working clothes or oily rag restoration actually looks better as it is closer to how they really were in there working life.

"i reject your reality and substitute my own" - adam savage. i suspect my final words maybe "well shit, that didnt work"

instead of perfection some times we just have to accept practicality

Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, Oct 3, 2023 11:15 AM
Showing 1 to 10 of 13 results
1
YouTube Video Placeholder

Follow Us on Social Media

Our channel highlights machines from the earliest Holt and Best track-type tractors, equipment from the start of Caterpillar in 1925, up to units built in the mid-1960s.

Upcoming Events

Cromford Steam Rally

Chapter Two

| Highacres Farm, Dewey Lane, Brackenfield, Derbyshire DE55 6DB, UK

The Century of Caterpillar

| Elkader, 203 Johnson St, Elkader, IA 52043, USA

100 YEARS OF CATERPILLAR IN TASMANIA

Chapter Nineteen

| 2 Winkleigh Rd, Exeter TAS 7275
View Calendar
ACMOC

Antique Caterpillar
Machinery Owners Club

1115 Madison St NE # 1117
Salem, OR 97301

[email protected]

Terms & Privacy
Website developed by AdCo

Testimonials

"I also joined a year ago. had been on here a couple of times as a non-member and found the info very helpful so I got a one year subscription (not very expensive at all) to try it out. I really like all the resources on here so I just got a three year. I think its a very small price for what you can get out of this site."
-Jason N

Join Today!