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I just bought this yesterday via gsa online auction. They said it was a 1970 D8H and it ends up being a D8 F series serial number 9A1503. It has been shedded for years and engine/trans rebuilt a few hundred hours ago(in the late seventies early eighties) from the maint records. Can somebody explain the 9A serial number? The books that came with it are for 14a and higher. My dad and I ran over there 60 miles and took a look at it. Dad filed the points(they were green) and I drained the gas tank and put new in, the pony fired up on the first revolution and the big diesel started up a couple minutes later. I drove it forward and backward but couldnt get the levers or food pedals to steer, I didnt want to push them very hard until I read up a little to see what needs to be done. I gotta do some work on my trailer and will probably go pick it up next week. Ive had a JD450c for a few years so this will be a big step up in power. Any advice would be welcome as this is completely new to me. Thanks, Ross/Nebraska

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Thu, Jul 11, 2013 5:43 AM
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Some military dozers had their own serial number series. Someone will probably be able to cross it over to the civilian series for you.

If the books are right for it, and it looks like they may be to me, you have the equivalent of a 14A D8 with a D13000 engine and manual transmission with oil clutch. I believe the 15A which was produced at the same time was a torque converter tractor but still with a manual transmission (and clutch???). The early torque converters used the diesel fuel as the coupling fluid instead of transmission oil like is commonly done today. Maybe a good thing you didn't get a 15A!

There should be a steering clutch hydraulic booster that may be out of oil. Probably under the seat or fuel tank.

Someone that knows all this stuff will be along soon.

I take it you paid little enough that you aren't complaining about the bad description in the auction. Probably nothing you can do anyway.
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Thu, Jul 11, 2013 6:22 AM
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Reply to ccjersey:
Some military dozers had their own serial number series. Someone will probably be able to cross it over to the civilian series for you.

If the books are right for it, and it looks like they may be to me, you have the equivalent of a 14A D8 with a D13000 engine and manual transmission with oil clutch. I believe the 15A which was produced at the same time was a torque converter tractor but still with a manual transmission (and clutch???). The early torque converters used the diesel fuel as the coupling fluid instead of transmission oil like is commonly done today. Maybe a good thing you didn't get a 15A!

There should be a steering clutch hydraulic booster that may be out of oil. Probably under the seat or fuel tank.

Someone that knows all this stuff will be along soon.

I take it you paid little enough that you aren't complaining about the bad description in the auction. Probably nothing you can do anyway.
The military 9A1503 s/n is equivalent to a 14A3861-up (1954-up) and has a D342 engine. I see it has the back-up rippers on the blade, typical of military spec.
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Thu, Jul 11, 2013 6:48 AM
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The military 9A1503 s/n is equivalent to a 14A3861-up (1954-up) and has a D342 engine. I see it has the back-up rippers on the blade, typical of military spec.
Thanks for the replies, Im so thankful for forums like this and the availability of information here.
It was a military machine transferred to the USDA meat research facility in Clay Center Ne back in Dec 1970. I took a look at the auction page just now and see that the description said it was acquired in 1970 for a price of $25389. They never said D8H, I thought they did but I started searching 1970 D8 for info and must have thought the description mentioned it( I remember my dad saying something about ASSuming things I buy mil surplus and know that they always show the acquisition prices on the paper work so that was probably the price in 1960 or whenever it was made. I paid 5900 for the machine and am very happy with it especially since it seems to have been maintained so well. I will be going to pick it up with my M920 6x6 and m870a1 trailer.[attachment=18487]DSC03372.jpg[/attachment]
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Thu, Jul 11, 2013 7:30 AM
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The military 9A1503 s/n is equivalent to a 14A3861-up (1954-up) and has a D342 engine. I see it has the back-up rippers on the blade, typical of military spec.
Here is a whole new can of worms...In your 4th picture , looking at the bottom of the blade there appear to be 2 small "rippers" facing back.
I have seen sockets on blades and wondered what they were for.
Is this proper and if so the folks who don't work a blade in reverse will be concerned...me I have all I can do to operate forward
Regards Chris
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Thu, Jul 11, 2013 7:34 AM
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Thanks for the replies, Im so thankful for forums like this and the availability of information here.
It was a military machine transferred to the USDA meat research facility in Clay Center Ne back in Dec 1970. I took a look at the auction page just now and see that the description said it was acquired in 1970 for a price of $25389. They never said D8H, I thought they did but I started searching 1970 D8 for info and must have thought the description mentioned it( I remember my dad saying something about ASSuming things I buy mil surplus and know that they always show the acquisition prices on the paper work so that was probably the price in 1960 or whenever it was made. I paid 5900 for the machine and am very happy with it especially since it seems to have been maintained so well. I will be going to pick it up with my M920 6x6 and m870a1 trailer.[attachment=18487]DSC03372.jpg[/attachment]
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Thu, Jul 11, 2013 7:41 AM
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Here is a whole new can of worms...In your 4th picture , looking at the bottom of the blade there appear to be 2 small "rippers" facing back.
I have seen sockets on blades and wondered what they were for.
Is this proper and if so the folks who don't work a blade in reverse will be concerned...me I have all I can do to operate forward
Regards Chris
[quote="snowshoveler"]Here is a whole new can of worms...In your 4th picture , looking at the bottom of the blade there appear to be 2 small "rippers" facing back.
I have seen sockets on blades and wondered what they were for.
Is this proper and if so the folks who don't work a blade in reverse will be concerned...me I have all I can do to operate forward
Regards Chris[/quote]

Mr Old Magnet said they are "back up rippers" typical of military machines. I didnt give a close look today but I think they can be retracted or extended for different applications.
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Thu, Jul 11, 2013 7:44 AM
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[quote="snowshoveler"]Here is a whole new can of worms...In your 4th picture , looking at the bottom of the blade there appear to be 2 small "rippers" facing back.
I have seen sockets on blades and wondered what they were for.
Is this proper and if so the folks who don't work a blade in reverse will be concerned...me I have all I can do to operate forward
Regards Chris[/quote]

Mr Old Magnet said they are "back up rippers" typical of military machines. I didnt give a close look today but I think they can be retracted or extended for different applications.
Thanks for the info...any more pics of the awesome truck you are using with the trailer.
Chris
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1977 powerking 1216 tractor
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Thu, Jul 11, 2013 7:50 AM
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[quote="snowshoveler"]Here is a whole new can of worms...In your 4th picture , looking at the bottom of the blade there appear to be 2 small "rippers" facing back.
I have seen sockets on blades and wondered what they were for.
Is this proper and if so the folks who don't work a blade in reverse will be concerned...me I have all I can do to operate forward
Regards Chris[/quote]

Mr Old Magnet said they are "back up rippers" typical of military machines. I didnt give a close look today but I think they can be retracted or extended for different applications.
Ross, that's an interesting trailer arrangement. Do you use the winch to raise the gooseneck into hitch position? How easy is it to unhitch/hitch?
What's the powertrain in the truck?
Cheers,
Neil
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Thu, Jul 11, 2013 7:52 AM
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Thanks for the info...any more pics of the awesome truck you are using with the trailer.
Chris
It is a 6x8(pusher axle) M920, 400hp Cummins Big Cam 1, Cat 7155 air shift semi automatic 16 speed transmission. I put Hemmt wheels/tires 16.00x20 (52 inches tall 16 inches wide) on and can cruise at 65mph. There is a 45000 lb winch behind the cab for pulling the trailer up and into the fifth wheel(which is fully oscillating and takes a trailer with a 3.5 inch king pin).
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It is a 6x8(pusher axle) M920, 400hp Cummins Big Cam 1, Cat 7155 air shift semi automatic 16 speed transmission. I put Hemmt wheels/tires 16.00x20 (52 inches tall 16 inches wide) on and can cruise at 65mph. There is a 45000 lb winch behind the cab for pulling the trailer up and into the fifth wheel(which is fully oscillating and takes a trailer with a 3.5 inch king pin).
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