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I have been given a Negative response from that came from the Tulare Committee. For many years now, people have been politicing the committees of the Tulare Tractor Show, to turn it into a Working Show. A few acres to move some dirt, disc and pull attachments around, and have some fun. Well the answer is.... No, they don't care. It is unfortunate that sometimes upper management can't see past their own nose. I have been hearing much negativity about this, and wanted you to know that I sent an e-mail to the CEO of the event to get his responce. I will keep you posted. It is not good when the leaders don't listen to what the attendees want. It's there way, or the highway. This negative response turns me off and makes me not want to participate in the show. Tulare has been fun, but it can be better too. I guess the bad thing is their unwillingness to listen and try and please the people. Business's, Events, Non-Profits all must be willing to change with the times. If the don't change and evolve as times change they become moldy, and slowly die, just like Kodak. If you don't change for the better, it's a slow Death.:rip: -glen
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Tue, Mar 6, 2012 1:35 AM
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thats not good news!
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Tue, Mar 6, 2012 2:04 AM
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thats not good news!
Glen, the Tulare Show is a great show; however, I do agree with you that it could be even a better show if it had a play area. My favorite shows are the ones where you can see, hear, and smell the tractors at work. There is nothing like seeing the look on the faces of kids from 9-90 seeing the equipment put through their paces. If nothing else we will have a great time at the Chapter 5 July 14,15 Playday.
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Tue, Mar 6, 2012 12:01 PM
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Reply to Jess Gilbertson:
Glen, the Tulare Show is a great show; however, I do agree with you that it could be even a better show if it had a play area. My favorite shows are the ones where you can see, hear, and smell the tractors at work. There is nothing like seeing the look on the faces of kids from 9-90 seeing the equipment put through their paces. If nothing else we will have a great time at the Chapter 5 July 14,15 Playday.
-Jess

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Jesse,

You are so correct. You see, behind the seens, I have been planning, as you know Jesse, with your help, to haul my Cat 660 down to Tulare and put on a working display. See group, Jesse got permission to haul the DD-9H down from Brooks, and D4-E John was going to haul it. We have been trying for three years to put on a hell of a working display and invite Peterson Tractor down(Buster Peterson Invented the DD-9 concept). It would be an event worth seeing. Oh ya, we would have had D-8's, D-7's, D-6's, D-4's, and D-2's running around with all the special tractors and steamers too. How often does the public get to sit down and watch a 660 being loaded by DD-9's, not too often. Tulare folks don't care. They have me realy upset. I am sorry, but I'm not going to haul any iron down this year. What is sad the committe just doesn't care to hear what spectators have to say. A group of promoters that don't care and don't want to listen, spells suicide for the event, I just don't understand.-glen
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Tue, Mar 6, 2012 1:22 PM
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Jesse,

You are so correct. You see, behind the seens, I have been planning, as you know Jesse, with your help, to haul my Cat 660 down to Tulare and put on a working display. See group, Jesse got permission to haul the DD-9H down from Brooks, and D4-E John was going to haul it. We have been trying for three years to put on a hell of a working display and invite Peterson Tractor down(Buster Peterson Invented the DD-9 concept). It would be an event worth seeing. Oh ya, we would have had D-8's, D-7's, D-6's, D-4's, and D-2's running around with all the special tractors and steamers too. How often does the public get to sit down and watch a 660 being loaded by DD-9's, not too often. Tulare folks don't care. They have me realy upset. I am sorry, but I'm not going to haul any iron down this year. What is sad the committe just doesn't care to hear what spectators have to say. A group of promoters that don't care and don't want to listen, spells suicide for the event, I just don't understand.-glen
Sometimes the best thing you can do is watch it go because that is the only way you can rebuild it. I have always been disgusted with our local largest car show. The show could be 15x bigger in every way but the leaders of that deal only want those few elite cars to show up every single year like Boyd's newest car. That is great and all but no one around here will shell the bucks to see 50 cars.

I sort of smell a new promoter!! Need is the mother of invention. Find the land, run the numbers, find a bank roller, secure the assets and insurance required, promote the deal, leave the old one in the "actual" dust...
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Tue, Mar 6, 2012 1:53 PM
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Jesse,

You are so correct. You see, behind the seens, I have been planning, as you know Jesse, with your help, to haul my Cat 660 down to Tulare and put on a working display. See group, Jesse got permission to haul the DD-9H down from Brooks, and D4-E John was going to haul it. We have been trying for three years to put on a hell of a working display and invite Peterson Tractor down(Buster Peterson Invented the DD-9 concept). It would be an event worth seeing. Oh ya, we would have had D-8's, D-7's, D-6's, D-4's, and D-2's running around with all the special tractors and steamers too. How often does the public get to sit down and watch a 660 being loaded by DD-9's, not too often. Tulare folks don't care. They have me realy upset. I am sorry, but I'm not going to haul any iron down this year. What is sad the committe just doesn't care to hear what spectators have to say. A group of promoters that don't care and don't want to listen, spells suicide for the event, I just don't understand.-glen
What a shame to here that those people are so shallow to not consider what you would like to bring down. I am so sorry that they would break a boys dream of what could have been a great time.😞
Hear I thought this was to bring people together to learn about the past. Clearly this is about them!
you can count me out ..............me, my equipment, the hotel, all the food ect. I would buy!
Tractorboy1 😞
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Tue, Mar 6, 2012 2:13 PM
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What a shame to here that those people are so shallow to not consider what you would like to bring down. I am so sorry that they would break a boys dream of what could have been a great time.😞
Hear I thought this was to bring people together to learn about the past. Clearly this is about them!
you can count me out ..............me, my equipment, the hotel, all the food ect. I would buy!
Tractorboy1 😞
I guess disturbing the soil is a big NO NO everywhere in the US:nono: and the owners don't want to have to grade the dirt back and buy all that fuel for the participants. It does take as all of you know, big $$ buy the fuel to haul in the machinery to benefit the owners of the show so why just sit there and look at it. I know I'll never travel 3000 miles to see some tractors sitting around and watching a parade.
I know when there is earthmoving going on everybody likes to watch and it brings in the crowds.
Just come to Brownsville,PA and see what a great show that has become. I remember 25yrs ago there was just 2 machines digging into a pile of dirt. Now there are scores of machinery operating.

On another note, I have been attending a model engineering show in January for about 15yrs now where skilled craftsmen have built scale models of steam and gas engines trains and boats. Recently in the past two years I introduced Radio Controlled scale model earthmoving to the show and it has become a huge hit with people crowding around a pile of dirt watching our miniature bull dozers,draglines,loaders,shovels, & on and off road dump trucks just moving dirt around. At first the promoter was learly about having a dump truck load of topsoil brought in and dumped on the floor last year. Three of us brought our machines and we were an instant hit👍. But this year I had two tri-axel loads of limestone screenings brought in and about 25 guys showed up with their rigs and machines and we moved dirt for three days. And, the attendance record was set this year in the neighborhood of 6500+. Sure has come a long way since the the shows humble beginnings of a father and son starting in a small building at a flea market with little attendance to leasing a 150,000sq ft building at a fair grounds.
Like that baseball movie; "BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME!"
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Wed, Mar 7, 2012 4:17 AM
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I guess disturbing the soil is a big NO NO everywhere in the US:nono: and the owners don't want to have to grade the dirt back and buy all that fuel for the participants. It does take as all of you know, big $$ buy the fuel to haul in the machinery to benefit the owners of the show so why just sit there and look at it. I know I'll never travel 3000 miles to see some tractors sitting around and watching a parade.
I know when there is earthmoving going on everybody likes to watch and it brings in the crowds.
Just come to Brownsville,PA and see what a great show that has become. I remember 25yrs ago there was just 2 machines digging into a pile of dirt. Now there are scores of machinery operating.

On another note, I have been attending a model engineering show in January for about 15yrs now where skilled craftsmen have built scale models of steam and gas engines trains and boats. Recently in the past two years I introduced Radio Controlled scale model earthmoving to the show and it has become a huge hit with people crowding around a pile of dirt watching our miniature bull dozers,draglines,loaders,shovels, & on and off road dump trucks just moving dirt around. At first the promoter was learly about having a dump truck load of topsoil brought in and dumped on the floor last year. Three of us brought our machines and we were an instant hit👍. But this year I had two tri-axel loads of limestone screenings brought in and about 25 guys showed up with their rigs and machines and we moved dirt for three days. And, the attendance record was set this year in the neighborhood of 6500+. Sure has come a long way since the the shows humble beginnings of a father and son starting in a small building at a flea market with little attendance to leasing a 150,000sq ft building at a fair grounds.
Like that baseball movie; "BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME!"
Glen & Jess,

I agree with you guys, Tulare could be more! You would think they would see that it's time to take it to the next level! Are there "hidden" legal reasons they can't change!

I was wondering how we (ACMOC members) could strengthen our point with the Tulare show management. Could a petition or a polling of the folks on this site give you guys more "evidence" to make them think? Perhaps facts like Side-Seat gave could help, providing that they will even listen!

If they won't even listen, then one is only left with walking away and shaking one's head as to the loss of what could have been!
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Wed, Mar 7, 2012 6:46 AM
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Glen & Jess,

I agree with you guys, Tulare could be more! You would think they would see that it's time to take it to the next level! Are there "hidden" legal reasons they can't change!

I was wondering how we (ACMOC members) could strengthen our point with the Tulare show management. Could a petition or a polling of the folks on this site give you guys more "evidence" to make them think? Perhaps facts like Side-Seat gave could help, providing that they will even listen!

If they won't even listen, then one is only left with walking away and shaking one's head as to the loss of what could have been!
You know, it bothered me to post about negative stuff. Sideseat that info is great. I have seen video's and such of the RC models, but a mini working event would be cool to watch. I'll pass that info on to the 2014 Best show committee. Firebaugh, I guess that's what got to me, it seems we keep talking to a wall. So, let's turn this thread into Positive input and everyone list what they want in a show. I will make sure that we use it in the future, maybe the 2014 show.-glen
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Wed, Mar 7, 2012 7:26 AM
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You know, it bothered me to post about negative stuff. Sideseat that info is great. I have seen video's and such of the RC models, but a mini working event would be cool to watch. I'll pass that info on to the 2014 Best show committee. Firebaugh, I guess that's what got to me, it seems we keep talking to a wall. So, let's turn this thread into Positive input and everyone list what they want in a show. I will make sure that we use it in the future, maybe the 2014 show.-glen
The lack of interesting activity at Tulare has kept me from making the drive from Woodland. I went last year, but that was for the first time in years, and I'm not excited about going back this year. It's just too far to drive to look at a dusty parking lot full of tractors. There's an awful lot going on in April here around Sacramento (we've got a plow day, a two-day tractor drive, and Oregon House tractor games at the start of May) so Tulare is the least interesting thing on the list, and the first to drop if I decide I want to spend one weekend home out of four. With gas the way it is, who wants to haul their tractor to a show, park it, drive it at 0.5 mph through a stop & go parade for two hours, park it, put it back on the trailer, and haul it home? No wonder people start escaping these shows at 10:00 on Sunday morning.

People really want to do things with their tractors, and not just paint them and store them under cover for the next show. Tulare ought to change to reflect this.

If they are only worried about things not getting put back the way they were, they should accept a deposit.

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Wed, Mar 7, 2012 8:18 AM
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You know, it bothered me to post about negative stuff. Sideseat that info is great. I have seen video's and such of the RC models, but a mini working event would be cool to watch. I'll pass that info on to the 2014 Best show committee. Firebaugh, I guess that's what got to me, it seems we keep talking to a wall. So, let's turn this thread into Positive input and everyone list what they want in a show. I will make sure that we use it in the future, maybe the 2014 show.-glen
Hi, Glen and all.
For me, a good show has pretty much already been summed up in this thread so far. It's sad that the Tulare clique won't listen but there isn't a lot that can be done to MAKE them listen. The only ways they might get the message are evidence of the success of working displays at other shows or falling attendances and/or boycotting of their show.

The show at Santa Margarita in 2010 was real success for a first time show and it had several working displays, earth moving, steam trains, horse-drawn fire engine, steam traction engines wandering around, Don Hunters #111 taking people for rides, harvesting displays, all very popular.

Woodland 2008 and 2011 were both great shows with many working displays. Is there a message in there somewhere?

Seems to me that some folks involved with Tulare might do well to remove some heads from some fundamental orifices.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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