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Hello everyone,

To those of you with Twenty Two knowledge and experience:

1) Were all models configured as dual fuel, or was it an option?  In reading the manual, it states something along the lines of “ on models equipped to run tractor fuel...” If dual duel was an option, would it then have the fuel selector lever and radiator shade? 

2) If equipped with a pto, is there a separate control lever, or does it spin full time, when the clutch is engaged?



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Wed, Jan 15, 2025 12:18 PM
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The PTO has a disengagement lever centered right in front of the seat in the same spot where the steering clutch lever adjustment access cover is only the lever/cover is a casting and yes it is driven by the master clutch. You disengage by moving the lever left or right but be sure not to engage while the master clutch is engaged or when the implement is spinning because there is only a straight cut jaw coupling. On a belt pulley attachment there is a lever on the right angle bevel gear that moves the two miter gears apart to disengage. On tractors equipped with a PTO there is also a cast iron pawl that can be locked to hold the clutch pedal disengaged. It is the same as the pawl that locks one of the steering brake pedals for parking.
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Wed, Jan 15, 2025 7:45 PM
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Reply to side-seat:
The PTO has a disengagement lever centered right in front of the seat in the same spot where the steering clutch lever adjustment access cover is only the lever/cover is a casting and yes it is driven by the master clutch. You disengage by moving the lever left or right but be sure not to engage while the master clutch is engaged or when the implement is spinning because there is only a straight cut jaw coupling. On a belt pulley attachment there is a lever on the right angle bevel gear that moves the two miter gears apart to disengage. On tractors equipped with a PTO there is also a cast iron pawl that can be locked to hold the clutch pedal disengaged. It is the same as the pawl that locks one of the steering brake pedals for parking.
Twenty Twos were built as both dual-fuel and gas-only tractors, depending on when they were built. 2F1 to 1J916 were dual fuel tractors as normally equipped from the factory. 1J917 to 1J5157 came from the factory as gas-only tractors. That does not mean that someone has changed parts around in the tractor's 80-year life. Cat also offered changeover groups to change one fuel type to the other. Group 2B7242 was to change a dual-fuel tractor to a gas burner, and group 4B3027 was to change a gas burner to a dual-fuel tractor. The fuel-burning tractors did have a radiator curtain.
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Wed, Jan 15, 2025 10:11 PM
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Twenty Twos were built as both dual-fuel and gas-only tractors, depending on when they were built. 2F1 to 1J916 were dual fuel tractors as normally equipped from the factory. 1J917 to 1J5157 came from the factory as gas-only tractors. That does not mean that someone has changed parts around in the tractor's 80-year life. Cat also offered changeover groups to change one fuel type to the other. Group 2B7242 was to change a dual-fuel tractor to a gas burner, and group 4B3027 was to change a gas burner to a dual-fuel tractor. The fuel-burning tractors did have a radiator curtain.
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Ken, our 1J3796W has an auxiliary tank in the main tank. Did the gas-only tractors still have that type of tank despite running only gas? The dash has a heat control but no evidence there was ever a fuel change-over valve
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Thu, Jan 16, 2025 12:28 AM
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Reply to neil:
Ken, our 1J3796W has an auxiliary tank in the main tank. Did the gas-only tractors still have that type of tank despite running only gas? The dash has a heat control but no evidence there was ever a fuel change-over valve
Good question on the fuel tank. I am curious to hear, as well. I suppose the/a parts manual would show if there were single and dual cavity tanks.
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Thu, Jan 16, 2025 1:27 AM
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Missing the mag switch and gauges have been replaced. I am wondering if the dual fuel lever was present. It has the duel filler fuel tank, but no evidence of ever having the radiator “shade”.
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Thu, Jan 16, 2025 1:31 AM
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Missing the mag switch and gauges have been replaced. I am wondering if the dual fuel lever was present. It has the duel filler fuel tank, but no evidence of ever having the radiator “shade”.
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The fuel tank from tractor # 2F1351 to the end of production was the same, part# 2B5421, so all of the gas burner tractors had dual-compartment tanks. Both fuel tanks on all tractors were plumbed to the carburetor but the dual-fuel tractors used a different set of fuel lines than the gas tractors. The dual-fuel tractors did have a fuel valve that was controlled from the dash. I learned something new today by looking at the part books. On the gas tractors, the place where the fuel valve control was for the dual-fuel tractors was repurposed for the heat valve control. There is a plate that would bolt over the fuel valve positions that have the heat valve positions on it. There are several parts books on eBay right now that show all of these parts and on which tractors they are used on.
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Thu, Jan 16, 2025 10:43 PM
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Reply to naylorbros:
The fuel tank from tractor # 2F1351 to the end of production was the same, part# 2B5421, so all of the gas burner tractors had dual-compartment tanks. Both fuel tanks on all tractors were plumbed to the carburetor but the dual-fuel tractors used a different set of fuel lines than the gas tractors. The dual-fuel tractors did have a fuel valve that was controlled from the dash. I learned something new today by looking at the part books. On the gas tractors, the place where the fuel valve control was for the dual-fuel tractors was repurposed for the heat valve control. There is a plate that would bolt over the fuel valve positions that have the heat valve positions on it. There are several parts books on eBay right now that show all of these parts and on which tractors they are used on.
The 2 models also had different  manifolds. The small tank on the gas models was used as auxillary tank with a shut off directly at the outlet. As previously stated the lines were run differently.
 
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Fri, Jan 17, 2025 1:24 AM
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Here is a couple of pictures of the two different manifold groups showing the different parts used between the gas and dual fuel tractors.

 
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Fri, Jan 17, 2025 5:27 AM
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The 2 models also had different  manifolds. The small tank on the gas models was used as auxillary tank with a shut off directly at the outlet. As previously stated the lines were run differently.
 
All twenty two were daul fuel , these was no gas only .. Gasoline start - Run on TVO Fuel ,the fuel tank selecter was mounted on the transmission on early tractor ,under the tank on later models and used a curtain on the radiator warm the engine to run TVO , The heat option was where our tractor worked ,colder states .This option used the fuel select to change the heating on the manafold to run the manifled warmer to burn TVO ,
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Fri, Jan 17, 2025 5:34 AM
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Sorry Bruce, I disagree that all Twenty Twos were dual-fuel tractors. Tractors after 1J916 came from the factory as gas burners as standard equipment. I am using parts catalog from #8629 page 39. This page has two plates one for the manifolds used on tractors 2F964 to 2F9999 and 1J1 to 1J916, this is titled Manifolds - Tractor Fuel. 

The second plate is for tractors 1J917 to 1J5157, this plate is titled Manifolds - Gasoline.  

The carburetor part number. for 2F964 to 1J916 is 2B5738 and the carb for 1J917 up is 2B5678. Page 42 in the parts catalog lists 2B5738 as a tractor fuel carb 

and page 43 lists 2B5678 as a gasoline carb. 

The radiator curtain became optional at 1J917 "This group is also adaptable to Serial Nos. 1J917 to 1J5157". 

If 1J917 to 1J5157 were not gas tractors from the factory then there would have been no need for the 4B3027 "Fuel System Change Over Group-Gasoline to Tractor Fuel" that I pictured in one of my posts above.
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