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Model 12 7T 1897

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Mark B
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Hello All,

I could use some help please...A generous person donated a Cat 12 7T grader to the Non-Profit kids camp I serve at...It sat for many many years...All we had to do is retrieve it...We finally got it to our location after many hours/days of work...We are close to putting it into service, but still have some issues...I don't even pretend to be a mechanic, only a farm kid with some horse sense...I ordered a parts book but it hasn't arrived...Hopefully I got the right book...I was tough to figure out the right one...

First off, it is hard to start the main engine...We possible have a leak down in the low pressure side of the injector pump...cracking open the bleed ports behind each line out of the injector pump helps...Is it standard to use a starting aid (ether) each time?

The low pressure side leaks from behind the covers located in the housing below the fuel filters...One is square and the other is rounded a the top...I have tighten the cover but they still seep...Where is good source for gaskets and what is behind the covers?

I can't figure out how to drain the engine oil from the pony...Where is the plug? ...The pony also leaks oil (when running) from the front seal behind the rope start pulley...Is that a hard repair?

What weight oil does the unit use in the gears boxes for the blade/scarifier drives?...

The ole' girl seems to be in good shape...We will be using her to maintain our steep mountain roads and for snow removal...Is it best to go to the local Cat dealer for parts?...They seem to be pretty proud of their parts...Almost as bad as John Deere....

One thing I do know...Wasps like the color yellow...They also like to live in the open back side of control box in the cab...rascal stung me on the nose!

Thanks in advance for your help...You will be helping us to make a difference in lives of the kids we serve!!
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Thu, Sep 16, 2010 4:39 AM
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Your 7t use a 4600 motor in and you should removed the fuel filter housing gasket heshould be brook or the housing cover is cracked or could be too the fuel return line leak behind, and the drain oil plug
is opposit side to the magneto and for the poney oil leak check the
flywell have a loose up and dan it should be bad front bearing and change the front seal in same time and for the gar box use 80/90 oil.
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Thu, Sep 16, 2010 6:37 AM
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Reply to gemdozer:
Your 7t use a 4600 motor in and you should removed the fuel filter housing gasket heshould be brook or the housing cover is cracked or could be too the fuel return line leak behind, and the drain oil plug
is opposit side to the magneto and for the poney oil leak check the
flywell have a loose up and dan it should be bad front bearing and change the front seal in same time and for the gar box use 80/90 oil.
The pony drain is that extension mounted on the clutch housing. The pony bottom is the clutch housing and there is a passage to the drain (you can see it in your picture next to the main engine fill tube). Takes 1-1/2 quarts.

Shouldn't have to use ether all the time unless compression is low. May improve if you have fuel issues once you get them straightened out.

The only snag to the parts manual is getting one that covers your serial number. You should also look for a service manual and the operation manual. The engine is covered in yet a different manual that covers the D4600 4-1/4 bore 6-cylinder engine.

Looks like we may be seeing a junior crop of operators coming up.
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Thu, Sep 16, 2010 7:16 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
The pony drain is that extension mounted on the clutch housing. The pony bottom is the clutch housing and there is a passage to the drain (you can see it in your picture next to the main engine fill tube). Takes 1-1/2 quarts.

Shouldn't have to use ether all the time unless compression is low. May improve if you have fuel issues once you get them straightened out.

The only snag to the parts manual is getting one that covers your serial number. You should also look for a service manual and the operation manual. The engine is covered in yet a different manual that covers the D4600 4-1/4 bore 6-cylinder engine.

Looks like we may be seeing a junior crop of operators coming up.
Nice grader!! Has the same engine as mine, I dont know how your starting it so i dont think anybody can tell you what your doing wrong if that the case.
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Thu, Sep 16, 2010 12:09 PM
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Reply to zip:
Nice grader!! Has the same engine as mine, I dont know how your starting it so i dont think anybody can tell you what your doing wrong if that the case.
The way I have been starting it...

Engage the pony
Open the gas to the pony
Start the pony
Spin the big motor in start
Wait till the main oil pressure comes up
Advance fuel to half way
Put big motor to run
Go back to start if pony slows or clutch slips
Back to run and watch the white smoke
Possibly bleed fuel from injectors
Once I get black smoke and pony starts to over speed, pull clutch and see if the big motor will run
Try this a couple of times
Big motor runs, shut fuel off to pony and let it die

Any thoughts?
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Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:02 PM
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Reply to Mark B:
The way I have been starting it...

Engage the pony
Open the gas to the pony
Start the pony
Spin the big motor in start
Wait till the main oil pressure comes up
Advance fuel to half way
Put big motor to run
Go back to start if pony slows or clutch slips
Back to run and watch the white smoke
Possibly bleed fuel from injectors
Once I get black smoke and pony starts to over speed, pull clutch and see if the big motor will run
Try this a couple of times
Big motor runs, shut fuel off to pony and let it die

Any thoughts?
lots of white smoke could have a pluged air clearner
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Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:10 PM
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lots of white smoke could have a pluged air clearner
Nice Grader! I need one of those. And the price was right!👍
It appears to be in very good shape, shouldn't take much effort to get it into reliable operating condition.
Good luck.
Jeff T
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Fri, Sep 17, 2010 8:46 PM
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Reply to tarquj:
Nice Grader! I need one of those. And the price was right!👍
It appears to be in very good shape, shouldn't take much effort to get it into reliable operating condition.
Good luck.
Jeff T
Yes, Even the cab, doors, and glass look to be in very good condition. Basically the same as my Model 12 6M17 except mine has the rare gas engine option. Nice find. Dandy Dave!
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Fri, Sep 17, 2010 9:21 PM
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Nice Grader! I need one of those. And the price was right!👍
It appears to be in very good shape, shouldn't take much effort to get it into reliable operating condition.
Good luck.
Jeff T
Mark,

Rather than opening the throttle after you get oil pressure, you might try switching the main to "run" for a while first. Then after a few minutes of warming it with the pony, crack the throttle to about 1/3.

I've converted several D4's and the "new" Cat 12E to direct start and my procedure is the same for all of 'em. Crank the engine 5-10 seconds first 'til I get oil pressure, then crack the throttle. In cold temps, a quick sniff of ether and they rumble to life.
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Fri, Sep 17, 2010 9:28 PM
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Mark,

Rather than opening the throttle after you get oil pressure, you might try switching the main to "run" for a while first. Then after a few minutes of warming it with the pony, crack the throttle to about 1/3.

I've converted several D4's and the "new" Cat 12E to direct start and my procedure is the same for all of 'em. Crank the engine 5-10 seconds first 'til I get oil pressure, then crack the throttle. In cold temps, a quick sniff of ether and they rumble to life.
Thanks Mr. Grump,

I'll try "run" with no throttle, then a 1/3 throttle...Intake air system is clean...I can't imagine starting the girl with an electric starter...Process seems way to long...Did they ever start with the crank? Maybe it was just to turn the motor over for timing/wrenching...THANKS
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Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:48 PM
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Reply to Mark B:
Thanks Mr. Grump,

I'll try "run" with no throttle, then a 1/3 throttle...Intake air system is clean...I can't imagine starting the girl with an electric starter...Process seems way to long...Did they ever start with the crank? Maybe it was just to turn the motor over for timing/wrenching...THANKS
The hand crank was used for lossening the motor in cold conditions and/or service work to the engine. Never for starting a Diesel. Dandy Dave!
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Sat, Sep 18, 2010 9:16 PM
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