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Maybe Too New To Be Considered (Diesel Electric D7E)

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Art From De Leon
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Why did Caterpillar return to the oval--track undercarriage for this tractor?

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Why did they choose to use a single, center mounted, hydraulic cylinder to raise and lower the blade?

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Art
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Thu, Feb 4, 2016 2:45 PM
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[img]http://static01.nyt.com/images/2010/01/24/automobiles/24dozer-inline1/articleLarge.jpg[/img]

I gather your talking about one of these wild bits of gear ????

I would think the main reason would be cost to build but Im only stabbing in the dark

Paul
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Thu, Feb 4, 2016 3:18 PM
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[img]http://static01.nyt.com/images/2010/01/24/automobiles/24dozer-inline1/articleLarge.jpg[/img]

I gather your talking about one of these wild bits of gear ????

I would think the main reason would be cost to build but Im only stabbing in the dark

Paul
Hi, Art from De Leon.
Cat decided that there was no real gain in having the high sprocket without the suspended track system as well. Since the suspended track system didn't start until the D8, D7 and down reverted back to oval track. The single blade lift ram is apparently an attempt to improve visibility by aligning the ram with the single center vertical bar in the front of the cab.

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Thu, Feb 4, 2016 4:25 PM
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Hi, Art from De Leon.
Cat decided that there was no real gain in having the high sprocket without the suspended track system as well. Since the suspended track system didn't start until the D8, D7 and down reverted back to oval track. The single blade lift ram is apparently an attempt to improve visibility by aligning the ram with the single center vertical bar in the front of the cab.

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Thu, Feb 4, 2016 5:57 PM
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Got more what?

A kew-ree-yuss mind would like to know.
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Thu, Feb 4, 2016 7:21 PM
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well with it being Electric i think the final drive are different as well and there is no need for a trans. you can make some diesel electric to have a small and still have lost of power. i heard that they where really making this for land fill work and not really as a dirt bulldozer.
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Thu, Feb 4, 2016 7:30 PM
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Reply to mog5858:
well with it being Electric i think the final drive are different as well and there is no need for a trans. you can make some diesel electric to have a small and still have lost of power. i heard that they where really making this for land fill work and not really as a dirt bulldozer.
Landfill work with a ripper on the back? I don't think so. Landfill is done with a compacter to get most material into the tip, dozers are use to prepare the area and for covering and landscaping on completion of the fill.
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Thu, Feb 4, 2016 8:00 PM
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Got more what?

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[quote="Deas Plant."]Hi, Mudgecko.
Got more what?

A kew-ree-yuss mind would like to know.[/quote]

Any more info on this tractor!!




Catsilver do you know if they were a success or not? being diesel electric just wondering what was their purpose?
Gilbert.
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Thu, Feb 4, 2016 8:36 PM
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[quote="Deas Plant."]Hi, Mudgecko.
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Any more info on this tractor!!




Catsilver do you know if they were a success or not? being diesel electric just wondering what was their purpose?
Gilbert.
Ya Cat claims low owning and operating costs, ya for the big corperate companys but not for the local contractor or small outfit. Cat gets $5000.00 bucks just for the electric motor that drives the water pump for the engine!!!!!!! And at a price tag for the machine at around $600,000.00? no thanks!!!
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Thu, Feb 4, 2016 9:25 PM
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Ya Cat claims low owning and operating costs, ya for the big corperate companys but not for the local contractor or small outfit. Cat gets $5000.00 bucks just for the electric motor that drives the water pump for the engine!!!!!!! And at a price tag for the machine at around $600,000.00? no thanks!!!
Gilbert, These machines were introduced when I was working for the marine engine division so I don't know much about them, I see one major change in design that will prolong final drive life, the dead shaft is no longer used to support the rear end of the track frame.
I suppose that it makes for less moving mechanical parts to wear out and I believe it has independent variable speed on each track, as for owning and operating costs being less, all I know is that each new machine generally moves dirt at less cost per ton, but they become more sophisticated and need dealer attention with a lap top if anything goes wrong.
As for being too expensive for the small man? I guess the D8 15A was looked on in the same way when it arrived back in the mid 50's.
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Thu, Feb 4, 2016 9:40 PM
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Gilbert, These machines were introduced when I was working for the marine engine division so I don't know much about them, I see one major change in design that will prolong final drive life, the dead shaft is no longer used to support the rear end of the track frame.
I suppose that it makes for less moving mechanical parts to wear out and I believe it has independent variable speed on each track, as for owning and operating costs being less, all I know is that each new machine generally moves dirt at less cost per ton, but they become more sophisticated and need dealer attention with a lap top if anything goes wrong.
As for being too expensive for the small man? I guess the D8 15A was looked on in the same way when it arrived back in the mid 50's.
Hey Team,

I asked a knowledgable Cat Dealer if many were being sold. I was told mostly government buying them for landfills and such. In our local area, landfills need to put a dirt cover over so many feet of garbage. That's where I see them working mostly.

As for going back to two point tracks, I've been told it's about the expense. On the smaller tractors a company that has both green and yellow tractors took a huge chunk of the market share with their inexpensive tracks making affordable dozers for the smaller contractors and such. Cat designed dozers to compete for that market share. I'm no expert, just things I've heard.
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Thu, Feb 4, 2016 10:13 PM
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