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Today I was running the Antique Gas and Steam Engine Museum's D6 9U dozer working on a pad for a new building. I have never run this tractor before. This morning I was having trouble getting it to push up the face of the spoil pile. As the day went along, the power loss seemed to get much worse until finally, it died a few times in the cut and on the spoil pile. I decided to park it but when I did, I tried to idle it but it stalled right away. I believe the fuel filters are plugging up. The guy that takes "care" of the museum's machines told me he had recently changed the fuel filters so he discounted that as the problem.

If it is not the fuel filters, what is going on? If my memory serves me right, the tower contains 4 cloth filters (not unlike tampons) which nest in there. Does Cat still stock those filter elements?

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Jan M
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Sat, Jul 9, 2016 9:52 AM
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Hey Jan,

Sounds like a fuel delivery problem. It does make me think the four filters are bad. Next I would check where the fuel line connects to the transfer pump. Take the connection apart and be prepared for the spring of check valve to pop out. Be prepared to close valve on bottom of tank. Put a bucket under line and check flow. It should be full flow. Close valve. Clean seat valve and check surface to make sure perfectly smooth. File if necessary. Stretch spring and re install. If fuel filters and check valve are good, then it sounds like transfer pump is not up to spec.
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Sat, Jul 9, 2016 10:16 AM
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Hey Jan,

Sounds like a fuel delivery problem. It does make me think the four filters are bad. Next I would check where the fuel line connects to the transfer pump. Take the connection apart and be prepared for the spring of check valve to pop out. Be prepared to close valve on bottom of tank. Put a bucket under line and check flow. It should be full flow. Close valve. Clean seat valve and check surface to make sure perfectly smooth. File if necessary. Stretch spring and re install. If fuel filters and check valve are good, then it sounds like transfer pump is not up to spec.
Glen
If what Glen suggested doesn't work and you want to change filters, NAPA carries them. Be prepared for sticker shock,. they are around $15.00 each now.
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Sat, Jul 9, 2016 10:36 AM
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in my experience, cat still sells the filters and they are cheaper then buying at napa. at least up here in canada they were. and they were in stock.


part number should be 2a5886 elements, you will need 4 of them.


you'll also need 2 7b7635 gaskets

please verify the numbers, i don't have my parts book handy and those were off an invoice i had from last year.

did he drain the filter tower and wash all the crud out of the bottom? there is a fairly large resevoir to collect crud under those filters. i have pulled the drain plug and not had any fuel come out, stick a rod up the hole and found over three inces of crud in the bottom of the housing.

glen has some good advice about the transfer pump feed as well.
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Sat, Jul 9, 2016 11:17 AM
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Reply to rmyram:
in my experience, cat still sells the filters and they are cheaper then buying at napa. at least up here in canada they were. and they were in stock.


part number should be 2a5886 elements, you will need 4 of them.


you'll also need 2 7b7635 gaskets

please verify the numbers, i don't have my parts book handy and those were off an invoice i had from last year.

did he drain the filter tower and wash all the crud out of the bottom? there is a fairly large resevoir to collect crud under those filters. i have pulled the drain plug and not had any fuel come out, stick a rod up the hole and found over three inces of crud in the bottom of the housing.

glen has some good advice about the transfer pump feed as well.
Since the filters were just changed, I wonder if your man turned the fuel valve under the tank all the way on? Something to check anyway.

Good luck

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Sat, Jul 9, 2016 11:27 AM
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Reply to Bruce P:
Since the filters were just changed, I wonder if your man turned the fuel valve under the tank all the way on? Something to check anyway.

Good luck

Bruce P
Hey Jan,

Bruce P has a Good Point... Put the hose end of transfer pump in a bucket. Turn valve on from under tank until greatest flow. Take note of orientation. I have had cats that guys help with and don't get the valve turned on all the way. This may be something to look at.
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Sat, Jul 9, 2016 11:38 AM
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Hey Jan,

Bruce P has a Good Point... Put the hose end of transfer pump in a bucket. Turn valve on from under tank until greatest flow. Take note of orientation. I have had cats that guys help with and don't get the valve turned on all the way. This may be something to look at.
Hey Jan,

I just realized your mistake. Borrowing from the nursery rhyme, "The little engine that could", you forgot to continuously say, "I think I can, I think I can..." then when you were finished with the work you should have said, "I thought I could, I thought I could...". See, it is that simple...😉😉😉😉😉
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Sat, Jul 9, 2016 12:19 PM
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Hey Jan,

I just realized your mistake. Borrowing from the nursery rhyme, "The little engine that could", you forgot to continuously say, "I think I can, I think I can..." then when you were finished with the work you should have said, "I thought I could, I thought I could...". See, it is that simple...😉😉😉😉😉
Jan,

One more thought. You simply MUST get a blade on Ol' Dick so there would NOT be any further problem with the D6...:drum::drum::drum::drum:
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Sat, Jul 9, 2016 12:23 PM
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Jan,

One more thought. You simply MUST get a blade on Ol' Dick so there would NOT be any further problem with the D6...:drum::drum::drum::drum:
Definitely check the filters again just incase. I spent a lot of hours one summer trying to figure out fuel problems because I'd just changed the filters. I had gotten a bad batch of fuel and had to change the filters 3 times one summer to finally get it straightened out. The fuel shutoff being partially closed sounds like a cheap fix too.

Good Luck, Randy
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Reply to 68dually:
Definitely check the filters again just incase. I spent a lot of hours one summer trying to figure out fuel problems because I'd just changed the filters. I had gotten a bad batch of fuel and had to change the filters 3 times one summer to finally get it straightened out. The fuel shutoff being partially closed sounds like a cheap fix too.

Good Luck, Randy
I was in NAPA yesterday to see if they had any 3164's which should be the 5886 interchange(?).
Answer was "No", NAPA doesn't appear to stock them anymore?
Maybe the Part Number changed?
I didn't have my paper with me with the CAT number just the Napa number in my head.
If you can still get them from NAPA in Cali, let us know.
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Reply to 7upuller:
Hey Jan,

Bruce P has a Good Point... Put the hose end of transfer pump in a bucket. Turn valve on from under tank until greatest flow. Take note of orientation. I have had cats that guys help with and don't get the valve turned on all the way. This may be something to look at.
[quote="7upuller"]Hey Jan,

Bruce P has a Good Point... Put the hose end of transfer pump in a bucket. Turn valve on from under tank until greatest flow. Take note of orientation. I have had cats that guys help with and don't get the valve turned on all the way. This may be something to look at.[/quote]

Bruce, Glen-

Looking under the tank, I can make out a line stamped in the square-headed valve stem which is aligned with the out-going tube so I figured that would show it was open? The drain valve line was at 90 degrees and of course it is shut. Are those stamped lines not accurate?

Everyone's comments were helpful except for Walt's. The language I was using was much stronger, something like " Come on you SOB, get up this hiil!; this thing doesn't have the power to get out of it's own way or this thing doesn't have the power to pull a sick wh--e off a p-sspot!", (😊)

JanM
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