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JAKEcatHT4
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This is an issue I got to consider once I get the HT4 runnin. One of my pivot pins has been pulling itself thru the socket under previous operation a few years ago. I think the last time I took a sledge and tapped it back and peened the egde of the pin some to increase end diameter. I think that worked for a short while but is my socket worn out if its coming out this direction?..and is there a better fix that tryin to smash the pin material out so that it wont get pulled thru again?..thx
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[attachment=35062]933 pin.JPG[/attachment]Is that pin to hard to drill and tap install a round cap?
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Fri, Apr 15, 2016 5:53 PM
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[attachment=35062]933 pin.JPG[/attachment]Is that pin to hard to drill and tap install a round cap?
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What normally holds the pin in position?
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Fri, Apr 15, 2016 5:57 PM
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What normally holds the pin in position?
Jake: Page 8 of the Trackson HT4 Traxcavator Shovel Parts Catalog for serial numbers HT4 101 to HT4 2800 35C1 and up shows the following:

2 - Bushings (In EACH link assembly) Item IK6678 - the illustration from which this is referenced is titled " Bucket Control Linkage.

If the bushings and note Collar are worn, and under a repeated pivoting movement, the pin can walk out of the bore. Recommend you secure a Bunting Bushing Catalog - go to your local bearing supply house ~ Kaman bearing could help ~ and secure bronze bushing material to replace the worn bushing.

The book also shows 6- collars attached to the pins that secure the loader linkages to comprise the entire loader linkage assembly. If you need a scan of the parts illustration send me a PM with your address and will send one to you in the mail.

For repair, recommend you block the loader linkage with a stout piece of wood, remove any load from the bucket. Working safely use a bronze drift or better yet a piece or ironwood that is smaller than the hole the pin resides in ~ progress to tap out the pin.

It might be the case that both the pin and the bushings are worn ~hopefully only the bushing. Use a good digital micrometer and mic the pin and bushings and see if the mating surfaces are worn.

In close, always enjoyed your HT4 vids that you had posted. Keep up the good work!

RPeck
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Fri, Apr 15, 2016 6:53 PM
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Reply to RPeck:
Jake: Page 8 of the Trackson HT4 Traxcavator Shovel Parts Catalog for serial numbers HT4 101 to HT4 2800 35C1 and up shows the following:

2 - Bushings (In EACH link assembly) Item IK6678 - the illustration from which this is referenced is titled " Bucket Control Linkage.

If the bushings and note Collar are worn, and under a repeated pivoting movement, the pin can walk out of the bore. Recommend you secure a Bunting Bushing Catalog - go to your local bearing supply house ~ Kaman bearing could help ~ and secure bronze bushing material to replace the worn bushing.

The book also shows 6- collars attached to the pins that secure the loader linkages to comprise the entire loader linkage assembly. If you need a scan of the parts illustration send me a PM with your address and will send one to you in the mail.

For repair, recommend you block the loader linkage with a stout piece of wood, remove any load from the bucket. Working safely use a bronze drift or better yet a piece or ironwood that is smaller than the hole the pin resides in ~ progress to tap out the pin.

It might be the case that both the pin and the bushings are worn ~hopefully only the bushing. Use a good digital micrometer and mic the pin and bushings and see if the mating surfaces are worn.

In close, always enjoyed your HT4 vids that you had posted. Keep up the good work!

RPeck
From what I can make out of the parts book the pin should be pressed in to the bell crank and retained in the other direction by the collar and cap screw. Option might be to weld the pin if it is not to loose. Letting the pin continue moving and turning is only going to make the fit worse.
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Sat, Apr 16, 2016 12:06 AM
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[attachment=35062]933 pin.JPG[/attachment]Is that pin to hard to drill and tap install a round cap?
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Restore49, I did not think of that option. So you think it may be too hard to drill and tap. Now when I strike the edge with a punch its seems soft
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Sat, Apr 16, 2016 9:19 AM
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Restore49, I did not think of that option. So you think it may be too hard to drill and tap. Now when I strike the edge with a punch its seems soft
That may keep it retained but not necessarily from turning and further wallowing out the hole.
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Sat, Apr 16, 2016 9:25 AM
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What normally holds the pin in position?

When I first noticed the problem I thought maybe the pin had a slight overall taper and only installed one way. Then the collar was bolted to inserted end. So I assumed that maybe the pin or socket worn from a lack of greasing.
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Sat, Apr 16, 2016 9:25 AM
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When I first noticed the problem I thought maybe the pin had a slight overall taper and only installed one way. Then the collar was bolted to inserted end. So I assumed that maybe the pin or socket worn from a lack of greasing.
Om., I like your idea of welding it up to stop further wear. Dont think she will ever be a workhorse or showpiece haha.
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Sat, Apr 16, 2016 9:32 AM
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Om., I like your idea of welding it up to stop further wear. Dont think she will ever be a workhorse or showpiece haha.
RPeck, thanks for the info. You may have me confused with Jaker65 (jake). Ive enjoyed the same videos many a time haha. Sounds like a task of a repair and may take you up on the offer of some parts diagrams. ..Richard
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Sat, Apr 16, 2016 9:39 AM
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RPeck, thanks for the info. You may have me confused with Jaker65 (jake). Ive enjoyed the same videos many a time haha. Sounds like a task of a repair and may take you up on the offer of some parts diagrams. ..Richard
Guys would have replied sooner but I dont get emails often. Then I find I have to subscribe to each thread..Is there a way for automatically subscribing?
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