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waukman
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Does anyone have seal numbers for a 8f2657.? not sure if the 8f2666 interchanges.
Michigan Cats computer system does not show a listing. They could not find the
cylinder group in their microfiche or the seal book.
I did'nt have the 44 arangement # at the time( 6w24616) they said they might be able to back track with that info.
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Sun, Aug 15, 2010 7:52 AM
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Where did you get the 8F2657 number? I think it may be a component in the 8F2666 group.
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Sun, Aug 15, 2010 8:53 AM
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Reply to KCB:
Where did you get the 8F2657 number? I think it may be a component in the 8F2666 group.
I believe you are looking at a casting number which is not the same as a part number in most cases but the part number is often just a few digits off.
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Sun, Aug 15, 2010 10:15 AM
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I believe you are looking at a casting number which is not the same as a part number in most cases but the part number is often just a few digits off.
8f2657 is a casting # on the rear eyelet. Cat did say this is a obsolete# ,superceded by more obsolete #'s. I did'nt have the page on 8f2666 at the time to clue them in on what I have. I came across 8f2666 by accident ,not sure what year range this applies to.
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Sun, Aug 15, 2010 7:21 PM
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Reply to waukman:
8f2657 is a casting # on the rear eyelet. Cat did say this is a obsolete# ,superceded by more obsolete #'s. I did'nt have the page on 8f2666 at the time to clue them in on what I have. I came across 8f2666 by accident ,not sure what year range this applies to.
You apparently have group 8F2666. The rod assembly, 8F2658, consists of rod casting 8F2657 and bushing 3F9363. However the seal could be either 1B2418 or 1K6981. The gland and seal were changed at higher serial numbers. Is your blade assembly serial number marked? It should be on the rear side of the moldboard, upper right area.
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Sun, Aug 15, 2010 8:15 PM
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Reply to KCB:
You apparently have group 8F2666. The rod assembly, 8F2658, consists of rod casting 8F2657 and bushing 3F9363. However the seal could be either 1B2418 or 1K6981. The gland and seal were changed at higher serial numbers. Is your blade assembly serial number marked? It should be on the rear side of the moldboard, upper right area.
I think it's safe to conclude you have the late style cylinder.
The rod packing 3F9609 is still a good number but it now uses entirely different (2-piece if I recall right) parts.
Last time I got a Cat seal the 1B2418 was a 9H2258.
Also can use a National 450083 or CR 19886
These all are kind of an odd seal with open case to the outside?????
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Sun, Aug 15, 2010 10:40 PM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
I think it's safe to conclude you have the late style cylinder.
The rod packing 3F9609 is still a good number but it now uses entirely different (2-piece if I recall right) parts.
Last time I got a Cat seal the 1B2418 was a 9H2258.
Also can use a National 450083 or CR 19886
These all are kind of an odd seal with open case to the outside?????
thanks KCB and Old Magnet for the info. I stripped the clyinder down and every thing looks identical to the late style. execpt for the packing and outer seal (1k6981). the packing is actually 5piece rubber fiber cone rings,they were brittle and flaking. I assume its all orginal.
lossening the piston nut was'nt to bad, a 6 ft pipe to keep pressure on the wrench
and 3 good hits with a 5lb hammer
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Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:34 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
I think it's safe to conclude you have the late style cylinder.
The rod packing 3F9609 is still a good number but it now uses entirely different (2-piece if I recall right) parts.
Last time I got a Cat seal the 1B2418 was a 9H2258.
Also can use a National 450083 or CR 19886
These all are kind of an odd seal with open case to the outside?????
Hi OM,
i am guessing by your ??? that you are searching for the reason these seals are fitted with the lip facing outwards.
They are dust wiper seals, so to function as such to scrape any dust from the rod this is how they must be fitted, if faced the other way about they would slide over the dust and allow it to enter between the packing and the seal itself. I have seen wipers fitted backwards and the space between the wiper and first packing was crammed hard with dirt causing premature scoring/wear of the chrome on the rod.
They also would help seal any dust/water entry to the system if the system were to have a vacuum in it. The packing takes care of the higher oil pressures by virtue of the chevron packings facing inwards, the dust wiper seal takes care of the outside stuff. In effect the system is protected/sealed in both directions.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:41 AM
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Hi OM,
i am guessing by your ??? that you are searching for the reason these seals are fitted with the lip facing outwards.
They are dust wiper seals, so to function as such to scrape any dust from the rod this is how they must be fitted, if faced the other way about they would slide over the dust and allow it to enter between the packing and the seal itself. I have seen wipers fitted backwards and the space between the wiper and first packing was crammed hard with dirt causing premature scoring/wear of the chrome on the rod.
They also would help seal any dust/water entry to the system if the system were to have a vacuum in it. The packing takes care of the higher oil pressures by virtue of the chevron packings facing inwards, the dust wiper seal takes care of the outside stuff. In effect the system is protected/sealed in both directions.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
Hi edb,
No, it's not the seal lip direction I'm questioning. For this particular series of seal the lip is in the proper direction but instead of an enclosed tin housing it is semi open in the outboard direction and makes a dandy crud trap.
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Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:03 AM
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That style seems to be the norm these days, I had noticed that as well.

(JD 310D backhoe with almost every cylinder needing to be repacked, I'm working on them slowly)πŸ˜†

I think they are hoping having the face of the metal ring deep in the recess will help the wiper seal stay put.
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Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:08 AM
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Reply to ccjersey:
That style seems to be the norm these days, I had noticed that as well.

(JD 310D backhoe with almost every cylinder needing to be repacked, I'm working on them slowly)πŸ˜†

I think they are hoping having the face of the metal ring deep in the recess will help the wiper seal stay put.
for the record: 3f9609 packing available $44.00
8f2685 piston ring avail. $25.00 ea new #7j8879
3f9363 end bush avail $67.00
1k6981 seal-wiper avail $18.00 new #3081845
1b2418 seal-lip changes to 1k6981 (the gland1j044😎 for 1k6981 is obsolete not sure about 3f9378 gland with goes with 1b2418
for quick reference : 1k6981 OD is 2.690"
1b2418(9h225😎 OD is 2.879
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Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:38 AM
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