Letter from Concerned Members of ACMOC

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D4Jim

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Have any other members received the letter? In my humble opinion nothing good can come from this approach.

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Wed, Oct 19, 2022 8:42 AM

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I got the letter today. I know the club is struggling but I am not sure what the answer is either. I would like to see those that are concerned take an active role with those that are trying to make the club better. Maybe they already are and it just is not working..

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Wed, Oct 19, 2022 10:13 AM

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I got the letter today. I know the club is struggling but I am not sure what the answer is either. I would like to see those that are concerned take an active role with those that are trying to make the club better. Maybe they already are and it just is not working..

I will begin by exercising a few keystrokes, for what it is worth,seems my opinion never mattered to anyone up the food chain, past or present.
Who paid for the mailer? Has the club enlisted an attorney? Did any of the past BOD share any of their ideas with the current BOD.
Since there are board vacancies coming up, some think letting them "term out" and installing a new slate would be easier, cheaper and less hard feelings?
Is it proper to have the club administrative assistant partake in this upcoming meeting?
I see more $$ costs involved in this takeover/.overthrow/coup/ousting. Throw more $$$ at the club and that will fix everything (sarcasm).
Many of us are torn by this and mixed thoughts about the situation as well.
Bottom line is we just want to enjoy the hobby and see the club flourish. More fun, less bickering. The rumor of creating clubs independent of ACMOC has crossed the minds of several chapters has been floating around.
Lets all be friends. JM

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Wed, Oct 19, 2022 8:39 PM

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I will begin by exercising a few keystrokes, for what it is worth,seems my opinion never mattered to anyone up the food chain, past or present.
Who paid for the mailer? Has the club enlisted an attorney? Did any of the past BOD share any of their ideas with the current BOD.
Since there are board vacancies coming up, some think letting them "term out" and installing a new slate would be easier, cheaper and less hard feelings?
Is it proper to have the club administrative assistant partake in this upcoming meeting?
I see more $$ costs involved in this takeover/.overthrow/coup/ousting. Throw more $$$ at the club and that will fix everything (sarcasm).
Many of us are torn by this and mixed thoughts about the situation as well.
Bottom line is we just want to enjoy the hobby and see the club flourish. More fun, less bickering. The rumor of creating clubs independent of ACMOC has crossed the minds of several chapters has been floating around.
Lets all be friends. JM

Hi, Folks.
As yet, I have not received such a letter so I am basically a mushroom. Personally, I don't get much OUT of the club other than expanding my knowledge of old Cats but I do enjoy contributing what little I can and going to ACMOC shows where I have met a LOTTTT of REALLY GOOD people.

I do know that the club is not in the best of shape right now - maybe that is putting a little mildly - but it has come through some rocky times in the past. Let's see if we can get through this one too.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Wed, Oct 19, 2022 8:50 PM

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Hi, Folks.
As yet, I have not received such a letter so I am basically a mushroom. Personally, I don't get much OUT of the club other than expanding my knowledge of old Cats but I do enjoy contributing what little I can and going to ACMOC shows where I have met a LOTTTT of REALLY GOOD people.

I do know that the club is not in the best of shape right now - maybe that is putting a little mildly - but it has come through some rocky times in the past. Let's see if we can get through this one too.

Just my 0.02.

Can someone post a picture of the letter? I haven't seen it.

Thanks!

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Thu, Oct 20, 2022 1:34 AM

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Can someone post a picture of the letter? I haven't seen it.

Thanks!

I got one the other day

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Thu, Oct 20, 2022 1:52 AM

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I got one the other day

Not really sure what’s going on ..
but I think the main reason things aren’t in the best shape Is mainly because some people decided to make it a business instead of a club of like minded individuals who want to collect , restore Holt, Best and caterpillar machines , research and archive literature and marketing stuff ,
Also have shows and meetings etc , develop friendships , share information and technical knowledge,
The first thing to do imho is separate the club shop and merchandise side of things either form a stand alone business or find someone who wants to take it forward maybe paying the club some of the profits..
The dues should cover the magazine, postage and insurance legal fees , out of pocket Expenses ..
But definitely not someone’s delusions of grandeur having models made and that sort of thing.. t

Let’s enjoy our yellow and grey metal …
Roland Cheshire U.K.

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Thu, Oct 20, 2022 3:14 AM

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@D4Jim - Jim, you are correct that the approach being used here can be very destructive and I know the board is looking at how to best respond without creating further damage. What we can say is that the “concerns” expressed in the letter have not been submitted to the board in any other form including the Annual General Meeting held on October 7th of this year. I know board encourages the involvement of any and every member in the interests of making the Club better. Thanks for commenting.
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Thu, Oct 20, 2022 3:26 AM

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Reply to Old Cats:

I got the letter today. I know the club is struggling but I am not sure what the answer is either. I would like to see those that are concerned take an active role with those that are trying to make the club better. Maybe they already are and it just is not working..

@Old Cats, the Board of Directors was unaware of the issues listed by this group prior to getting a copy of the letter. There has been no attempt to work with the current leadership to make things better. I know that the board agrees that anyone that feels they can make the club better should take an active role and join those of us that are already working to improve the Club for all members. Thanks for your note.

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Thu, Oct 20, 2022 3:28 AM

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Thu, Oct 20, 2022 3:30 AM

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I will begin by exercising a few keystrokes, for what it is worth,seems my opinion never mattered to anyone up the food chain, past or present.
Who paid for the mailer? Has the club enlisted an attorney? Did any of the past BOD share any of their ideas with the current BOD.
Since there are board vacancies coming up, some think letting them "term out" and installing a new slate would be easier, cheaper and less hard feelings?
Is it proper to have the club administrative assistant partake in this upcoming meeting?
I see more $$ costs involved in this takeover/.overthrow/coup/ousting. Throw more $$$ at the club and that will fix everything (sarcasm).
Many of us are torn by this and mixed thoughts about the situation as well.
Bottom line is we just want to enjoy the hobby and see the club flourish. More fun, less bickering. The rumor of creating clubs independent of ACMOC has crossed the minds of several chapters has been floating around.
Lets all be friends. JM

@Juiceman, you have posed a number of great questions. I don't think the board of directors knows who paid for the mailing, we presume the “group”. The Club has consulted with an attorney in accordance with the responsible thing for any board to do.

You bring up a great point about allowing current members to term out, in August there was a notice posted for board nominations as there are current board members that are “terming out”, to my knowledge, not one of the people that have “signed” the “concerned” letter submitted their name for consideration. Speaking for the BoD, we find this puzzling and disappointing. The proper way to affect change is by working within the by-laws of the organization, and yes, it would be cheaper and far less hard feelings than the “blow it all up” attempt being made here.

It is not proper to enlist the club’s employee in this effort.

Yes, this approach will cost the Club funds for no good reason, funds that cannot afford to be expended.

The bottom line is that I know the current board agrees 100% with your statements about enjoying the hobby. We are in an unfortunate situation in that we have to address issues that have been around for over 15 years in terms of Chapter organization. The Chapter “problem” existed when several of the “concerned” group were on the board, they chose not to address it at that time. This board has chosen to do what is right and make changes that need to be made.

Stay tuned for more to come - thank you for your comments.

Kurt Bangert

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Thu, Oct 20, 2022 3:31 AM

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