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the ACMOC rag (magazine) turned up the other day and well it had its good and bad points for me

good to see the D4 model although models are not my cup of tea after seeing one of the new D4's at our AGM I can say that the photos dont do it justice its a pretty good looking crawler and very detailed

I then read on to the article about the V8 D8 while I enjoyed the article I found that the article had been Americanized with terms and words used that are not terms and words we use in this wide brown land and it dags me big time when people feel the need to Americanize things we are Australians and should be proud of it after all this is the greatest country in the world and while we may have to explain our selves some time to stop people getting upset with us in other parts of the world because our sense of humor is a bit different than any other place I know of we should never change our selves to try and become a country we are not

We do not have Halloween and we never had Valentines day once we dont drive rigs we dont shift gear on low boys we dont insist on calling everything from a ute to a 4x4 wagon a truck we dont have reefers pantechs flat tops or wrenches we dont make calls on a telephone we dont eat hot cakes hash browns or any of that other stuff we dont have pony motors on crawlers we dont have truckers we dont have pans we dont talk in pounds with truck weights and loads we dont harvest a grain crop we dont count our wheat in bushels even though we are a metric country we still talk in MPG and MPH and so many miles up the road and falls in paddocks are in inches to the chain and fences are measured in chains, I could go on till the cows come home

Whilst I dont expect anyone else from around the world to understand were Im coming from or even see what the big deal is to me it is a big deal every time we give up something that makes this country great and maybe just a little bit different it upsets me as we slowly change to follow what some other country does and in the grand scheme of things I wouldnt want to live in America I like Australia and I like been Australian were not just different were better in so many ways or least I think we are

even this poxy spell check on the computer tries to Americanize everything we have Mack, Kenworth, Freightliner and Westernstar trucks but apart from a passing glance they are nothing like the US counter part they have been very Australianized to suit Australia nothing wrong with that we are who we are and we do things just a little bit different here and we should be proud of it, it's not a competition we are who are

Before I wrote this post I shot a email off to the editor to ask had the article been changed and the answer was no so I find that sad that some Australians think we have to be someone we are not

apart from that whinge I will now get off my soap box and say its good to see a lot more chapter reports are going in each mag and to all those who do take the time to write thank you and dont take any of this to heart

seeya

Paul
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Tue, Aug 9, 2016 1:31 PM
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Paul.
Can't wait to see the mag.
A. K.
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Tue, Aug 9, 2016 3:17 PM
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Paul.
Can't wait to see the mag.
A. K.
[quote="Andrew"]Paul.
Can't wait to see the mag.
A. K.[/quote]

mate its a good read
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Tue, Aug 9, 2016 4:24 PM
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[quote="Andrew"]Paul.
Can't wait to see the mag.
A. K.[/quote]

mate its a good read
I known Mark the writer and owner,builder of the V8 D8 and I don't think you could meet anyone a more down to earth Aussie. Marks writing is a story well told and written. Mark should be proud to get his story in the magazine and it is great to see his photos and the details of how he did the job. To pick on any of the words he has used is just un fair in any part of the world. A good read and good job Mark.
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Tue, Aug 9, 2016 5:07 PM
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Thanks for the wrap Andrew, I'm certainly not going to change career anytime soon. Haven't received the mag yet so I can't see if any Liberty was taken at the editorial stage. I did offer the editors the right to adjust the article to fit their format but also asked if I could have a read before they printed. I wrote the article nearly a year ago now and haven't had any correspondence since, thought it wasn't up to scratch.
I look forward to having a read soon,
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Tue, Aug 9, 2016 5:29 PM
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I known Mark the writer and owner,builder of the V8 D8 and I don't think you could meet anyone a more down to earth Aussie. Marks writing is a story well told and written. Mark should be proud to get his story in the magazine and it is great to see his photos and the details of how he did the job. To pick on any of the words he has used is just un fair in any part of the world. A good read and good job Mark.



Im sure your right on all accounts but agree with me or not Australia is slowly loosing its identity and if your happy to for Australia to loose its identity so bit it is a free country and your entitled to your opinion as am I
And I am not picking on the writters words just observing a fact that more and more we are loosing our Australian identity thats my opinion as far as I know Im allowed to have a opinion

As I stated I enjoyed the article and appreciate the effort people put into writing these articles and it doesnt matter what part of the world the article comes from I find things more enjoyable when it is written or described in the country in which the article is based.

Mark I hope no offense is taken by me writing the above post or the other previous post and take it as the constructive criticism I was trying to get across you may find Im the oddball in all this Australian stuff and in this politically correct world we live you most likely would be right

Paul
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Tue, Aug 9, 2016 7:04 PM
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Reply to Hutchy:
Thanks for the wrap Andrew, I'm certainly not going to change career anytime soon. Haven't received the mag yet so I can't see if any Liberty was taken at the editorial stage. I did offer the editors the right to adjust the article to fit their format but also asked if I could have a read before they printed. I wrote the article nearly a year ago now and haven't had any correspondence since, thought it wasn't up to scratch.
I look forward to having a read soon,
Hutchy
Hi, Hutchy.
Myself, I thought it was great stuff. Thanks for the story and the photos. I saw it running and pulling at Warracknabeal at Easter, 2015, and I liked it. Yours is the second one I have seen, but I was a lot closer to the first one, Paul McNae's, as it is based less than 20 minutes drive from me and I was in and out of their yard quite a bit at the time. It came about in similar circumstances, a running D17000 from a gen set with a crook generator and a D8 8R with a dead motor.

I will try to dig out some photos of it in the next few days. Here are a couple of videos of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W7-13PI4sY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH4RFCatWaU

Enjoy.

Just my 0.02.
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Hi, Hutchy.
Myself, I thought it was great stuff. Thanks for the story and the photos. I saw it running and pulling at Warracknabeal at Easter, 2015, and I liked it. Yours is the second one I have seen, but I was a lot closer to the first one, Paul McNae's, as it is based less than 20 minutes drive from me and I was in and out of their yard quite a bit at the time. It came about in similar circumstances, a running D17000 from a gen set with a crook generator and a D8 8R with a dead motor.

I will try to dig out some photos of it in the next few days. Here are a couple of videos of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W7-13PI4sY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH4RFCatWaU

Enjoy.

Just my 0.02.
here is what is in the magazine (the text anyway, sorry for the layout but thats how it appeared after cut and pasting the text.)
i am on the editing committee and the only thing suggested was photo captions.

What do you do with a
1946, D17000 V8 engine
that you have restored and is
slowly glazing up and dying?
This question was one that
was fiercely debated around
the fridge in the workshop
for many months before the
group decision was made to
graft it into a crawler.
It was decided that the donor
tractor would need to be
period and, of course, Caterpillar.

The D8 8R was made available
to us and seemed to be
the perfect choice. A 1942
model, running with a slight
miss, already had an engine
change (to a 1H) and was in
need of a good tidy-up. Many
visits with the tape measure
and the straight edge, pen
and paper and it was decided
that, yes, this was possible
and reasonably straight forward,
though not a project for
the faint hearted!
The first job was to remove
the engine from the tractor,
very straight forward and
achieved with minimal fuss. A
quick measure of the flywheel
and conformation with the
D17000 and we had a plan
for the clutch. A new set of
threaded holes for the drive
pins and bolt straight on.
After much measuring and
discussion it was decided to
widen the chassis and construct
a new cross member
and equalizer bar.
Once in the workshop and
dismantled it was clear that
more work would be required
in the transmission as the
cover on the end of the counter
shaft was damaged. On
further inspection, we found
the bolts retaining the end
plate had come out and damaged
the shaft. As with many
of these scenarios, what
starts out as ‘minor repairs’
ends in total strip-down and
rebuild.
After disassembling the
transmission and inspecting
the bevel gear shaft and
steering clutches, the decision
was made to take her
down all the way to the pinion
flanges. Everything was
removed and cleaned; only a
few seals and bearings and
the odd-sized linkage and adjuster
were replaced and the
project was back on track.
The chassis rails were unbolted
from the transmission
housing and the dowels removed,
templates were made
and some 2” spacers were cut
and drilled. With longer dowels
and bolts the rails were reinstalled
making the chassis
4” wider, allowing the timing
gear housing of the D17000 a
neat fit. With the chassis rails
in place, the new rear engine
mounts could be designed
and the engine placed in the
rails.
With the tractor starting to
take shape, the enthusiasm
went up a notch and in no
time we had the cross member
and equalizer bar constructed
and installed and the
front engine mount and radiator
support close behind.
The pressure really came
on when our local rally committee
announced that it
would be featuring Caterpillar
at its upcoming rally, only six
months away! With the deadline
set, it was all systems go
and in no time we had the radiator
sitting on and the coolant
lines in place. While work started to increase
for us, we still found
time to keep the project rolling
and with a few helping
hands we managed to have
her ready for a test drive with
a month to go.
The big V8 didn’t take all
that much firing up but the
pilot engine on the other
hand was being “typical”! After
swearing at it a few times
(seems to be the best way I
have found), it fired up and
away we went. All forward and
reverse gears were good and
steering was better than new!
After a few cold ales and
some pats on the back, the
age old paint debate reared
its head: 2 Pac vs Enamel. 2
Pac won because of its wearing
ability and ease of cleaning
and the strip down for
painting began.
With most of the groundwork
and undercoating completed
during the build, preparation
was not too difficult;
the problem was in getting
the weather conditions right
for painting. With time running
low we managed to get a
few good hours and she was
all yellow. What a sight!
Upholstery and sign writing
was completed on the eve
of the rally and was still only
touch dry as she went on the
lowboy, much to the disgust of
the sign writer.
With her first show a success
and many keen supporters,
we managed to ship her
around to a few shows, a highlight
being our National Rally,
held every two years with this
one being hosted in Tasmania,
the southern-most state
here in Oz,which required a voyage across Bass Strait.
This was the first time we had
ever required a ship to exhibit
at a rally.
With a few shows under
her belt now, we are very comfortable
with the conversion,.
The 8R seems to handle the
big V8 with no hesitation, and
is able to turn heads wherever
she goes. A double drum
LeTourneau PCU is currently
being rebuilt and will be installed
in the near future, allowing
a pan or the like to be
coupled up making for quite a
show.
As with all these projects
there were many contributors,
far too many to mention here
but they all know who they
are and should all be proud
of what’s been achieved. We
hope you have enjoyed our
story, and if you’re ever down
our way don’t hesitate to call
in and catch up. We’re always
looking for an excuse to talk
tractors.
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Tue, Aug 9, 2016 9:55 PM
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Reply to chriscokid:
here is what is in the magazine (the text anyway, sorry for the layout but thats how it appeared after cut and pasting the text.)
i am on the editing committee and the only thing suggested was photo captions.

What do you do with a
1946, D17000 V8 engine
that you have restored and is
slowly glazing up and dying?
This question was one that
was fiercely debated around
the fridge in the workshop
for many months before the
group decision was made to
graft it into a crawler.
It was decided that the donor
tractor would need to be
period and, of course, Caterpillar.

The D8 8R was made available
to us and seemed to be
the perfect choice. A 1942
model, running with a slight
miss, already had an engine
change (to a 1H) and was in
need of a good tidy-up. Many
visits with the tape measure
and the straight edge, pen
and paper and it was decided
that, yes, this was possible
and reasonably straight forward,
though not a project for
the faint hearted!
The first job was to remove
the engine from the tractor,
very straight forward and
achieved with minimal fuss. A
quick measure of the flywheel
and conformation with the
D17000 and we had a plan
for the clutch. A new set of
threaded holes for the drive
pins and bolt straight on.
After much measuring and
discussion it was decided to
widen the chassis and construct
a new cross member
and equalizer bar.
Once in the workshop and
dismantled it was clear that
more work would be required
in the transmission as the
cover on the end of the counter
shaft was damaged. On
further inspection, we found
the bolts retaining the end
plate had come out and damaged
the shaft. As with many
of these scenarios, what
starts out as ‘minor repairs’
ends in total strip-down and
rebuild.
After disassembling the
transmission and inspecting
the bevel gear shaft and
steering clutches, the decision
was made to take her
down all the way to the pinion
flanges. Everything was
removed and cleaned; only a
few seals and bearings and
the odd-sized linkage and adjuster
were replaced and the
project was back on track.
The chassis rails were unbolted
from the transmission
housing and the dowels removed,
templates were made
and some 2” spacers were cut
and drilled. With longer dowels
and bolts the rails were reinstalled
making the chassis
4” wider, allowing the timing
gear housing of the D17000 a
neat fit. With the chassis rails
in place, the new rear engine
mounts could be designed
and the engine placed in the
rails.
With the tractor starting to
take shape, the enthusiasm
went up a notch and in no
time we had the cross member
and equalizer bar constructed
and installed and the
front engine mount and radiator
support close behind.
The pressure really came
on when our local rally committee
announced that it
would be featuring Caterpillar
at its upcoming rally, only six
months away! With the deadline
set, it was all systems go
and in no time we had the radiator
sitting on and the coolant
lines in place. While work started to increase
for us, we still found
time to keep the project rolling
and with a few helping
hands we managed to have
her ready for a test drive with
a month to go.
The big V8 didn’t take all
that much firing up but the
pilot engine on the other
hand was being “typical”! After
swearing at it a few times
(seems to be the best way I
have found), it fired up and
away we went. All forward and
reverse gears were good and
steering was better than new!
After a few cold ales and
some pats on the back, the
age old paint debate reared
its head: 2 Pac vs Enamel. 2
Pac won because of its wearing
ability and ease of cleaning
and the strip down for
painting began.
With most of the groundwork
and undercoating completed
during the build, preparation
was not too difficult;
the problem was in getting
the weather conditions right
for painting. With time running
low we managed to get a
few good hours and she was
all yellow. What a sight!
Upholstery and sign writing
was completed on the eve
of the rally and was still only
touch dry as she went on the
lowboy, much to the disgust of
the sign writer.
With her first show a success
and many keen supporters,
we managed to ship her
around to a few shows, a highlight
being our National Rally,
held every two years with this
one being hosted in Tasmania,
the southern-most state
here in Oz,which required a voyage across Bass Strait.
This was the first time we had
ever required a ship to exhibit
at a rally.
With a few shows under
her belt now, we are very comfortable
with the conversion,.
The 8R seems to handle the
big V8 with no hesitation, and
is able to turn heads wherever
she goes. A double drum
LeTourneau PCU is currently
being rebuilt and will be installed
in the near future, allowing
a pan or the like to be
coupled up making for quite a
show.
As with all these projects
there were many contributors,
far too many to mention here
but they all know who they
are and should all be proud
of what’s been achieved. We
hope you have enjoyed our
story, and if you’re ever down
our way don’t hesitate to call
in and catch up. We’re always
looking for an excuse to talk
tractors.
I think it was a well-written article, and fairly "Aussie" in tone...("pilot motor", "rally", etc.)...I do see where Paul is coming from about losing culture & uniqueness, but it's a world-wide problem. Hell, I feel like the Lone Ranger myself in terms of how I was raised & grew up. Western Colorado is getting more Californicated by the year...11 or 12 people in the world went to the same one-room school with me, & half of them are dead. TV, pop culture, & now especially the Internet are homogenizing the world, ironically at a time when the buzzword is "DIVERSITY!".
I'll quit before I get into what would be considered "politics" on here... 😉
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Tue, Aug 9, 2016 10:13 PM
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mrsmackpaul,

I second Pete's thoughts on an article detailing the differences in terminology used worldwide for our particular interests here. I enjoy seeing and hearing the differences expressed by posts here or getting a perspective of how things are done in other parts of the world. As a kid, I learned what a "boot" was and also a "lorrie" from having a playmate who had recently come over to the states from Ireland. I went to your country at one point and learned that "sheilas" were put together pretty much the same as over here.😊 Right here on this forum I now know what a "pilot motor" is as well as a "float". I think that is good. I am NOT a globalist and like you, feel some things are best left unchanged including localisms and traditions as found in various parts of the world.

I enjoyed the article as submitted and hats off to the crew who pulled off stuffing this large engine into an old Cat tractor!

JanM
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Tue, Aug 9, 2016 10:52 PM
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mrsmackpaul,

I second Pete's thoughts on an article detailing the differences in terminology used worldwide for our particular interests here. I enjoy seeing and hearing the differences expressed by posts here or getting a perspective of how things are done in other parts of the world. As a kid, I learned what a "boot" was and also a "lorrie" from having a playmate who had recently come over to the states from Ireland. I went to your country at one point and learned that "sheilas" were put together pretty much the same as over here.😊 Right here on this forum I now know what a "pilot motor" is as well as a "float". I think that is good. I am NOT a globalist and like you, feel some things are best left unchanged including localisms and traditions as found in various parts of the world.

I enjoyed the article as submitted and hats off to the crew who pulled off stuffing this large engine into an old Cat tractor!

JanM
Thanks for all the replies fellas and I see that in our own way most of us dont like loosing who we are as a country or area in a country even in Australia the names for the same thing varies greatly from one end of this wide brown land to the other and thats part what makes each area different and special and some times we find our selves laughing our heads off at the names used for some items
I speak to a friend in Vermont USA every week on Skype (the internet is amazing) and when we first started yhacking away we would be in stitches with laughter at different names for things and no offense was ever taken, and the best thing is how much more you learn about other places by not globalizing everything and the point I was trying to make no matter what part of the world we are from its all special and just like I thought most people have a fair idea what we are talking about anyway so there is no need to change it to conform

and once again I did enjoy the article and the effort that was gone to to produce the article the crawler the lot it was all very good to me

If it gets to stage when no one is allowed to comment on something as we may offened someone else we get really bogged down even when I started this topic I took a few goes and quite a lot of thought into whether I should say something or not and how I should go about trying to write the article I did some research asked some questions before I opened my mouth and stuck my foot in it and put pen to paper so to speak and unsurprisingly enough most of the replies are on similar lines to what I was thinking as well, none of us like loosing our identity and we all like been a little bit special


Paul
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