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Is this an Cat D7 3T?

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boely
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Hello to you al,

I have found an new picture of an Cat dozer wich I think is an Caterpillar D7 3T dozer?
This is the link to the picture of the dozer:
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?q=us+engineers++source:life&imgurl=c13f0fca4fe25cb2

An great picture I think!

Thanks and greetz!

Jelle.
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Wed, Nov 19, 2008 7:54 PM
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Not a 3T. Earlier. GWH
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Wed, Nov 19, 2008 8:02 PM
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Reply to gwhdiesel75:
Not a 3T. Earlier. GWH
It is a D8
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Wed, Nov 19, 2008 8:14 PM
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Reply to dick:
It is a D8
I thought too it looked like a D8 possibly a 1H or 8R serial number tractor, more like a 1H guessing.
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Wed, Nov 19, 2008 8:23 PM
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Reply to SJ:
I thought too it looked like a D8 possibly a 1H or 8R serial number tractor, more like a 1H guessing.
Thanks for the quick reply,s.

So this is not an D7 3T butt an earlier Cat an D8 and possibly an 1H.
Still learning,I am new at this game of Cat,s,so thank you for the answers.

Greetz!

Boely
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Wed, Nov 19, 2008 9:35 PM
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Reply to boely:
Thanks for the quick reply,s.

So this is not an D7 3T butt an earlier Cat an D8 and possibly an 1H.
Still learning,I am new at this game of Cat,s,so thank you for the answers.

Greetz!

Boely
Thru the same link I posted you can see an other dozer.
This one:
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?q=us+engineers++source:life&imgurl=234c909bc05134c9

The equipment behind this Dozer is that an scraper?
Sorry for so many questions,like I said above I am new in the world of Caterpillar,s and their equipment.
Any reply,s are much appriciated.

Greetz!

Boely.
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Wed, Nov 19, 2008 9:39 PM
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Reply to boely:
Thanks for the quick reply,s.

So this is not an D7 3T butt an earlier Cat an D8 and possibly an 1H.
Still learning,I am new at this game of Cat,s,so thank you for the answers.

Greetz!

Boely
I think its an 8R D8. Given by the water pump. Jeremy
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Wed, Nov 19, 2008 9:39 PM
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I think its an 8R D8. Given by the water pump. Jeremy
Here you go.....if the picture was taken in 1941 as it states, then this is either a 7M or a 4T maybe. But a very early 3T would look like this.

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?q=us+engineers++source:life&imgurl=75da901707d84d90
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Wed, Nov 19, 2008 11:35 PM
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Reply to Old 3T lover:
Here you go.....if the picture was taken in 1941 as it states, then this is either a 7M or a 4T maybe. But a very early 3T would look like this.

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?q=us+engineers++source:life&imgurl=75da901707d84d90
I think that both the D7 7M and 4T look like the 3T. The first picture looks like a D8 8R or 1H.
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Thu, Nov 20, 2008 2:43 AM
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Reply to Old 3T lover:
Here you go.....if the picture was taken in 1941 as it states, then this is either a 7M or a 4T maybe. But a very early 3T would look like this.

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?q=us+engineers++source:life&imgurl=75da901707d84d90
1st one appears to be a D8, 1H or 8R ??? It has a LeTourneau dozer kit, blade would be a WCK-8 ( manual angle dozer with manual tilt)


The 2nd one is a D7, most likely a 7M with a LeTourneau front mount power control unit, usually seen as equpped like this one with a Hyster-Willamette 7N towing winch on the back, it too has a WCK-7 dozer blade, manual angle and tilt. 4T production did not start until '44, but they are practically identical for the most part anyway.

From what I have seen, the LeT front A-Frame as LeT calls it, is tilted forward on D8's of that era, whereas the front A-Frames on D7's of the same period were just about perpendicular to the ground, straight up, though they both flex and ride on trunions, there was probably a dimension that required those kits mounted on D8's to tilt forward.

The D7's and D8's were fitted with different aftermarket acessories in those days, most by LeT, others also had LaPlante-Choate dozer kits hydraulic trailbuilder models and ones similar to the cable operated LeT models in the photos, I have a photo somewhere of a depot staged with lines of tractors, you can see a lot of them were fitted differently, WWII era, staged before being shipped to their destination.

There is an Italian website with a lot of WWII photos of these Cat's, would have to look up that link, might be able to post that later.
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Thu, Nov 20, 2008 2:47 AM
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1st one appears to be a D8, 1H or 8R ??? It has a LeTourneau dozer kit, blade would be a WCK-8 ( manual angle dozer with manual tilt)


The 2nd one is a D7, most likely a 7M with a LeTourneau front mount power control unit, usually seen as equpped like this one with a Hyster-Willamette 7N towing winch on the back, it too has a WCK-7 dozer blade, manual angle and tilt. 4T production did not start until '44, but they are practically identical for the most part anyway.

From what I have seen, the LeT front A-Frame as LeT calls it, is tilted forward on D8's of that era, whereas the front A-Frames on D7's of the same period were just about perpendicular to the ground, straight up, though they both flex and ride on trunions, there was probably a dimension that required those kits mounted on D8's to tilt forward.

The D7's and D8's were fitted with different aftermarket acessories in those days, most by LeT, others also had LaPlante-Choate dozer kits hydraulic trailbuilder models and ones similar to the cable operated LeT models in the photos, I have a photo somewhere of a depot staged with lines of tractors, you can see a lot of them were fitted differently, WWII era, staged before being shipped to their destination.

There is an Italian website with a lot of WWII photos of these Cat's, would have to look up that link, might be able to post that later.
The first tractor is almost certainly a late model 1H series D8 from around late 1939 to late 1940. It has done some serious amount of work .. so it's not new, but a year or two old .. and if the pic is dated 1941, that places the tractor in the age bracket above. According to my records, the 8R series did not appear until Jan 1941.
The tractor has the later style carrier rollers that became standard in early 1939 .. and it is also, somewhat unusually, fitted with both a front mount cable control, as well as a rear mount cable control. The control lever for the front-mount cable control comes off the RH fender at about 60° towards the operator, and the control lever for the rear-mount cable control can just be seen, projecting over the seat and fuel tank, to the operators right.
Here is a pic from the January 1940 LeTourneau catalog showing a new, late 1939, 1H series D8, fitted with the CK-8 angledozer, and rear-mount cable control only ..

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/8242/letck8hy3.jpg

Boely - The item you asked about behind the D7, 7M series tractor, in the second link, is not a scraper .. but it is almost certainly an Etnyre hot asphalt mixing plant.

The liquid asphalt or bitumen, is contained in the rear tanker-trailer. This is pumped through to the front section, which is a drum mixer, driven by the D7 PTO .. and which drum mixer also appears to have a heater incorporated in it .. judging by the two exhaust stacks.

In operation, local aggregate (crushed, small dimension rock) is graded into a windrow by motor graders .. and the D7 then drags the asphalt mixer along the windrow of aggregate.
The asphalt or bitumen is heated and pumped onto the aggregate, and the whole lot is thoroughly mixed and heated inside the open-ended mixing drum .. whereby the "hot mix" is left behind in a flat windrow, for graders following, to level out as a completed road surface .. whereupon it is then compacted to provide the finished surface.

Todays asphalt methods have changed only a little, with dedicated asphalt machines taking hot-premixed asphalt into a hopper, from dump or tipping trucks .. whereby the "hot mix" is spread evenly and thickly, in a more highly controlled grade, than what the graders would have produced in the old days.

The tractor that "Old 3T lover" put up the link to, is a D7 7M series, because the 3T series did not appear until late 1943.

Thanks for the link to the "Life" pictures, they are fabulous pictures of the 1940's.
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Thu, Nov 20, 2008 4:35 PM
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