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8T with 28 cu. yd. direct mount scraper.
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Wed, Nov 25, 2015 11:56 PM
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Seems like a good idea using a roller for a push block.
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Thu, Nov 26, 2015 12:46 AM
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Seems like a good idea using a roller for a push block.
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Surely it would be easier to push the topsoil there??
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Thu, Nov 26, 2015 1:44 AM
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Seems like a good idea using a roller for a push block.
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Hi, Oil Slick.
I don't know how well it worked 'cos I've never worked around them but a lot of Euclid/Terex scraper models had a roller in the push block I can imagine that it might need some pretty 'robust' bearings for the roller.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Thu, Nov 26, 2015 1:54 AM
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Surely it would be easier to push the topsoil there??
The roller on this gismo' of a scraper looks very small in length and width compared to the usual rollers I have worked with on CAT and Euc'/Terex iron, the fact that the D8 is also tugging about with his blade mounted and still struggling to turn is not making things look good in this demonstration Video, even with good tractor scraper set ups the tight turn out the cut loaded would be avoided so you fill the way you run if possible, but it is only a demo video but it possibly could have been run like the outfit was doing a Muck Shift for coins, that is blade off self loading and getting some gallop on to the fill/tip, perhaps the CAT might have looked less crap hooked up to that thing.
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Thu, Nov 26, 2015 3:20 AM
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The roller on this gismo' of a scraper looks very small in length and width compared to the usual rollers I have worked with on CAT and Euc'/Terex iron, the fact that the D8 is also tugging about with his blade mounted and still struggling to turn is not making things look good in this demonstration Video, even with good tractor scraper set ups the tight turn out the cut loaded would be avoided so you fill the way you run if possible, but it is only a demo video but it possibly could have been run like the outfit was doing a Muck Shift for coins, that is blade off self loading and getting some gallop on to the fill/tip, perhaps the CAT might have looked less crap hooked up to that thing.
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there not really a industrial piece of equipment more made for farmers. we had to go thorough one after just 6 mount's for running cus the pins where gone was made to be serviced just thought it away and buy a new one. i am by no means any kind of expert but with that wide shallow pan i think he might have a hard time cutting anything more than top soil. cool video reminds me of the D57T that's in Alberta that's a 657 bole and rear engine with a scraper cab mounted to a 10 T.
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Thu, Nov 26, 2015 10:50 AM
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there not really a industrial piece of equipment more made for farmers. we had to go thorough one after just 6 mount's for running cus the pins where gone was made to be serviced just thought it away and buy a new one. i am by no means any kind of expert but with that wide shallow pan i think he might have a hard time cutting anything more than top soil. cool video reminds me of the D57T that's in Alberta that's a 657 bole and rear engine with a scraper cab mounted to a 10 T.
dunno about chucking it away after six months but you are right it is a scoop for land leveling as in paddocks they are also used for building dams etc but are more suited making paddocks flat for irrigation and will last 20 years or more ok I reckon the one I use is 30 years old and still going strong

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Thu, Nov 26, 2015 11:02 AM
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dunno about chucking it away after six months but you are right it is a scoop for land leveling as in paddocks they are also used for building dams etc but are more suited making paddocks flat for irrigation and will last 20 years or more ok I reckon the one I use is 30 years old and still going strong

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Hi, TCtractors.
Personally, I prefer keeping the blade on for the extra traction and, in this case with the scraper drawbar weight resting on the drawbar of the tractor, also for the counterbalance effect.

Now I KNOW that you are gonna disagree 'cos that is your nature and that concerns me not at all as you, just like me, are entitled to your opinion. I have just given mine. End of story.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Thu, Nov 26, 2015 4:49 PM
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Hi, TCtractors.
Personally, I prefer keeping the blade on for the extra traction and, in this case with the scraper drawbar weight resting on the drawbar of the tractor, also for the counterbalance effect.

Now I KNOW that you are gonna disagree 'cos that is your nature and that concerns me not at all as you, just like me, are entitled to your opinion. I have just given mine. End of story.

Just my 0.02.
Never had problems keeping 8K,s or similar cool with a blade on and pulling a scraper ?
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Never had problems keeping 8K,s or similar cool with a blade on and pulling a scraper ?
Hey Gang,

I like the double video angles, gives a good perspective of the loading. What I found disappointing while watching, was several times when the operator should have lowered his apron to create a boiling action, he opened it each time instead. I watched it several times. Three times or so at the appropriate time to create a frontwards boiling action, he let it get away from him by raising the apron instead. It's tougher to do on a cable scraper as no hydraulic down force on apron, but it can still be done. Many operators never learned the trick of forcing a frontwards boil to heap the load up and forward. In good material you can actually get two boil actions heaping a live load up so fast. This makes a push cat operator wonder why it didn't take the horse power to push load you like the rest of the dead head scrapers. Watch the video again and look at how much room is left unloaded in the front of the load. As the dirt on top starts to fall forward, by lowering the apron just a tad, it causes the dirt to then get rolled on the curvature of the apron. Finding the right spot at the right time can cause a double boil action. This live loading reduces energy needed to lift the dirt up instead of all the power needed in a dead load. It can heap a load up very fast with little effort. Three times in the video as the dirt started falling forward, it was time to show his skill, he went the wrong way and never caught it.
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Thu, Nov 26, 2015 11:02 PM
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Hey Gang,

I like the double video angles, gives a good perspective of the loading. What I found disappointing while watching, was several times when the operator should have lowered his apron to create a boiling action, he opened it each time instead. I watched it several times. Three times or so at the appropriate time to create a frontwards boiling action, he let it get away from him by raising the apron instead. It's tougher to do on a cable scraper as no hydraulic down force on apron, but it can still be done. Many operators never learned the trick of forcing a frontwards boil to heap the load up and forward. In good material you can actually get two boil actions heaping a live load up so fast. This makes a push cat operator wonder why it didn't take the horse power to push load you like the rest of the dead head scrapers. Watch the video again and look at how much room is left unloaded in the front of the load. As the dirt on top starts to fall forward, by lowering the apron just a tad, it causes the dirt to then get rolled on the curvature of the apron. Finding the right spot at the right time can cause a double boil action. This live loading reduces energy needed to lift the dirt up instead of all the power needed in a dead load. It can heap a load up very fast with little effort. Three times in the video as the dirt started falling forward, it was time to show his skill, he went the wrong way and never caught it.
Glen
The scraper needs a front dolly to keep some weight off of the drawbar, the material reminds me of hauling slabby adobe in my old 463 & D8H, get too much and you have a hard time unloading because the slabs would wad up against the apron, always had the apron cable adjusted to get it as high as possible. Those big slabs would sometimes go straight up and over the sides or worse over the back. Had a steel plate on the cable spool to keep from smashing it. They would lay on the back and rub the tires, had to get a bar to try to remove them. Then when you got to the fill you had to raise the scraper almost all the way up to let the chunks under. Ahh, those were the days :biggrin1:
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