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hello all, I found a collection of D2s and D4s in Canada and was wondering if it would be worth importing them to Perth, anybody with any experience doing this or any advice would be greatly appreciated. I understand that partial disassembly and thorough cleaning woul be involved, but with COVID going on I'm not in a position to go over and do that job. Maybe there are shipping companies that specialise in cleaning them up and shipping them?
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Sat, May 15, 2021 8:38 AM
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You probably need to define what "worth" means. What would be your purpose in importing them: resell, restore and keep, something else? If you're planning to resell, I would guess that the cost/revenue would not stack up. If you want them for yourself to play with, then cost is not a factor since it's your enjoyment, but the red-tape could be quite discouraging. If you would like to restore, then I'd guess that there are candidates already in country that you could locate then all you'd need to import are any parts that are needed for the restore, which is a much simpler proposition and which many members in Oz have and continue to indulge in.
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Sat, May 15, 2021 8:09 PM
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Reply to neil:
You probably need to define what "worth" means. What would be your purpose in importing them: resell, restore and keep, something else? If you're planning to resell, I would guess that the cost/revenue would not stack up. If you want them for yourself to play with, then cost is not a factor since it's your enjoyment, but the red-tape could be quite discouraging. If you would like to restore, then I'd guess that there are candidates already in country that you could locate then all you'd need to import are any parts that are needed for the restore, which is a much simpler proposition and which many members in Oz have and continue to indulge in.
great summary Neil, gotta agree 100 percent...unless you have money to burn, the hassles and expenses alone would make this a no go....
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Sun, May 16, 2021 4:06 AM
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great summary Neil, gotta agree 100 percent...unless you have money to burn, the hassles and expenses alone would make this a no go....
Yes, good advice. I have another collector friend in Canada who will take a few items in that collection off my hands but still have a 3 j D 2 with a belt pulley that’s in good shape over there, probably better to let it go to another collector than go through the hassle. If any body is interested in a 3j and a moline GVI located in Alberta, let me know.
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Sun, May 16, 2021 5:29 AM
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Reply to kittyman1:
great summary Neil, gotta agree 100 percent...unless you have money to burn, the hassles and expenses alone would make this a no go....
Yes, good advice. I have another collector friend in Canada who will take a few items in that collection off my hands but still have a 3 j D 2 with a belt pulley that’s in good shape over there, probably better to let it go to another collector than go through the hassle. If any body is interested in a 3j and a moline GVI located in Alberta, let me know.
Thanks
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Sun, May 16, 2021 5:30 AM
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Reply to Relic:
Yes, good advice. I have another collector friend in Canada who will take a few items in that collection off my hands but still have a 3 j D 2 with a belt pulley that’s in good shape over there, probably better to let it go to another collector than go through the hassle. If any body is interested in a 3j and a moline GVI located in Alberta, let me know.
Thanks
I didn't want to discourage you : ) More that it wasn't clear what your goal was - there are a couple of fellows from Oz that imported units recently (like the last five years I think - Mike Meyer?) who can give you indicative numbers (time, $, amount of paperwork) and an idea of the process for importing a tractor from North America. That will at least give an idea of the gyrations you'd need to go through. If you have $ and you're not in a hurry for the tractor and you don't mind dealing with bureaucracy precisely because you're not in a hurry, then it could actually be not a big deal. When I deal with the government, if I'm in no hurry, then I don't really care how much red tape there is because it's just one foot after another. I could see how it would get old though when time-sensitive imports are the subject, such as food products
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Sun, May 16, 2021 8:19 AM
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I didn't want to discourage you : ) More that it wasn't clear what your goal was - there are a couple of fellows from Oz that imported units recently (like the last five years I think - Mike Meyer?) who can give you indicative numbers (time, $, amount of paperwork) and an idea of the process for importing a tractor from North America. That will at least give an idea of the gyrations you'd need to go through. If you have $ and you're not in a hurry for the tractor and you don't mind dealing with bureaucracy precisely because you're not in a hurry, then it could actually be not a big deal. When I deal with the government, if I'm in no hurry, then I don't really care how much red tape there is because it's just one foot after another. I could see how it would get old though when time-sensitive imports are the subject, such as food products
Wombat is the expert on importing Cats from the USA, but in my humble opinion it's not worth it for common machines like D2 or D4 because the cleaning costs can be ridiculous here in Oz, most Yanks have no concept of what "clean" means for Aussie Quarantene Inspectors and I've heard several stories of Aussies paying big money to a Yank for "thorough" cleaning over there, only to discover a filthy machine when it arrived here.
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Mon, May 17, 2021 4:07 PM
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Wombat is the expert on importing Cats from the USA, but in my humble opinion it's not worth it for common machines like D2 or D4 because the cleaning costs can be ridiculous here in Oz, most Yanks have no concept of what "clean" means for Aussie Quarantene Inspectors and I've heard several stories of Aussies paying big money to a Yank for "thorough" cleaning over there, only to discover a filthy machine when it arrived here.
Clean is a vague term to most, I own a steam cleaner and still spend a few rounds with it to get some machines to my satisfaction. It never happens on the first round.
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Mon, May 17, 2021 5:47 PM
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Clean is a vague term to most, I own a steam cleaner and still spend a few rounds with it to get some machines to my satisfaction. It never happens on the first round.
For certain areas, disassembly is the most practical way to get something clean. I was looking at my 5U the other day and noted that every part that I had disassembled was genuinely clean, but others, like the bottom of the transmission case, still had decades-old grease and dirt packed in there. That stuff was probably easier to clean off than the parts I handled so if the inspector wanted to look in all those nooks and crannies, even after a "professional" cleaning, there'd still be a good chance he'd find crud.
I would love a steam cleaner Steve - I remember using one as a kid and marveling at how much cleaner and drier items were than regular old power-washing. I also would like one to knock the weeds back around the house, with a big cylinder-shaped head on it so the weeds are at steam temp for a decent amount of time (like 5s)
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Mon, May 17, 2021 6:55 PM
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For certain areas, disassembly is the most practical way to get something clean. I was looking at my 5U the other day and noted that every part that I had disassembled was genuinely clean, but others, like the bottom of the transmission case, still had decades-old grease and dirt packed in there. That stuff was probably easier to clean off than the parts I handled so if the inspector wanted to look in all those nooks and crannies, even after a "professional" cleaning, there'd still be a good chance he'd find crud.
I would love a steam cleaner Steve - I remember using one as a kid and marveling at how much cleaner and drier items were than regular old power-washing. I also would like one to knock the weeds back around the house, with a big cylinder-shaped head on it so the weeds are at steam temp for a decent amount of time (like 5s)
The Australian Inspectors here in Oz know where to look for dirt and baked on crud, and will force you to keep dismantling the machine at the inspection facility till they think there is not one spec of dirt remaining, while all this is going on you are being billed "storage" fees, plus extra cleaning charges at hundreds of dollars, plus every extra inspection is hundreds of dollars.

If Quarantine don't think you have got the machine clean enough, they can and will force you to re-export it back to it's port of origin in Canada or the USA, or to a cleaning facility at Singapore. Plant seeds are another big No No, and anyone who has cleaned the radiator on a old Cat will know it is almost impossible to get a core clean of baked on crud and stuck grass seeds while the radiator is in the crawler.

My neigbour liked to import restored John Deere tractors, brought in a lot over the years, till a couple of years ago he met his match at the Quarantine Inspection facility, the Inspector was insisting his tractor must have baked on dirt under it's beautiful 2 pack paint, and was going to force him to sand blast all the paint off the tractor so she could be convinced there was no dirt!!!!!!

Meanwhile, somehow the drug importers still manage to bring in thousands of tons of drugs like ice and cocaine every year, and enough illegal handguns to arm a small army.......
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Tue, May 18, 2021 3:44 AM
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I can appreciate AU being so particular about the cleanliness of equipment entering their country.  The US has requirements regarding cleaning combines when custom harvesters complete a weedy field but hardly a thorough cleaning.  Cleaning consists of a blast of air from an air hose that does little good.  On our farm in NW KS we see dozens of weeds we didn't see even 30 years ago that have been brought in by migrating birds or wind blown seeds. 
Some like Musk thistle have been imported for their "beauty"  but have become a nemesis to no end.  The US spends Billions of dollars each year trying to control them.  I personally spend about 200 hours per year on a 4 wheeler just controlling them in the pastures.  A Musk thistle seed can lie dormant for as long as 60 years and then sprout.  Each plant provides millions of seeds for the next crop.  We now have weeds that are resistant to normal chemicals and that causes much extra expense. 
It wouldn't take much for some sort of noxious seed to be wedged in a small crack or gap on a tractor only to dislodge some years later to begin its life cycle all over again.
Back in the late 1960's we even had a custom harvester leave a coral snake in our yard that must have made the ride from Texas as they are not native to this region.
 

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