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Folks,

I got over to start a general clean up of my D2 and thought I would ask a couple of questions:

First is what can you tell me about my machine based on the serial number 5J4857SP. Obviously a 5J but what does SP mean?

Second, when I took off the hood and looked at the pony carb the throttle was not hooked up? Or rather the rod went in , has a piece of metal almost shaped like a triangle on it but never actually controls the carb throttle from the little I could see. It was a quick trip to work on my father's Massey ferguson TO20 so I did not spend too much time worrying about it because I am going over this weekend to investigate and clean the machine further. I would guess in reading , but not loking at the pictures closely, the operations/parts manual that that rod is supposed to be hooked up to control the throttle but it appeared that the throttle was cotrolled by a spring? What am I missing or what is the machine missing? It starts and then idels at high until I turn off the fuel to the pony.

I still did not take any pics but there is nothing too stunning about this D2. It has a straight blade, no front shield, has the belly pan(not sure if this was optional but as my D^ was an AG cat it did not) and pump though it is a gregson(greson?) minneapolis as well as PTO on back. 8222 hours and looks all of it. :jaw:

So there they are my questions or musings if you will for today.

Thanks as always for the thoughts.

Tom
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Sat, Jun 26, 2010 9:55 AM
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There are two control rods on the left side of the engine. One is the choke, the rod with the triangular stop is to throttle back the engine. The high speed is controlled by a belt driven govenor on the right side of the engine.
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Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:27 AM
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The throttle control rod doesn't directly link to the throttle.

Instead, it can only pull the throttle closed or block it opening, opposing the action of the governor spring. When you push it in, it allows the governor to open the throttle (spring pulls it open) until the rpm exceeds the setpoint and the governor weights push on the throttle arm and force it closed a bit.

Sometimes you see the little block on the wrong side of the throttle to governor linkage pin and then you have no way to slow the engine to low idle at all.
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Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:29 AM
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Reply to ccjersey:
The throttle control rod doesn't directly link to the throttle.

Instead, it can only pull the throttle closed or block it opening, opposing the action of the governor spring. When you push it in, it allows the governor to open the throttle (spring pulls it open) until the rpm exceeds the setpoint and the governor weights push on the throttle arm and force it closed a bit.

Sometimes you see the little block on the wrong side of the throttle to governor linkage pin and then you have no way to slow the engine to low idle at all.
Stepehn and ccjersey,

Thanks.
I think you hit mine on the head that is the stop/block (if you will) is not in the correct position therefore it is not allowing me to reduce the idle once it gets going.
I guess I will have to play with it a little more to see how that block can be turned 90 degrees or more to contact the govenor.

Thanks for the input. I saw nothing on a diagram of the linkage in any manual I looked through other than a picture of the carb.

Tom
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Sat, Jun 26, 2010 10:46 PM
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Stepehn and ccjersey,

Thanks.
I think you hit mine on the head that is the stop/block (if you will) is not in the correct position therefore it is not allowing me to reduce the idle once it gets going.
I guess I will have to play with it a little more to see how that block can be turned 90 degrees or more to contact the govenor.

Thanks for the input. I saw nothing on a diagram of the linkage in any manual I looked through other than a picture of the carb.

Tom
So in reading other posts on the D2 serial number there is almost nothing outwardly to differentiate a "SP" at the end of the number from any other cat. It seems like a mostly internal difference?

That would seem to follow on mine as the only thing out of norm is the PTO.

Any idea on year of this bugger 5J4857SP?

Thanks,

Tom
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Sat, Jun 26, 2010 11:22 PM
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Reply to newd6:
So in reading other posts on the D2 serial number there is almost nothing outwardly to differentiate a "SP" at the end of the number from any other cat. It seems like a mostly internal difference?

That would seem to follow on mine as the only thing out of norm is the PTO.

Any idea on year of this bugger 5J4857SP?

Thanks,

Tom
Looks to be a 1941 model, SP means special parts, on mine 5 th gear is pretty fast, and both of mine were od green underneath the yellow, so were probibly ordered by the military
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Sat, Jun 26, 2010 11:54 PM
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Reply to newd6:
So in reading other posts on the D2 serial number there is almost nothing outwardly to differentiate a "SP" at the end of the number from any other cat. It seems like a mostly internal difference?

That would seem to follow on mine as the only thing out of norm is the PTO.

Any idea on year of this bugger 5J4857SP?

Thanks,

Tom
Your D2 is a 1941, the production numbers for that year started at 5J3551 and ended at 5J5147. The "SP" could include special gearing inside the transmission, larger front idlers, basically things that would have required special attention to be paid on the assembly line.
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Sat, Jun 26, 2010 11:54 PM
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Your D2 is a 1941, the production numbers for that year started at 5J3551 and ended at 5J5147. The "SP" could include special gearing inside the transmission, larger front idlers, basically things that would have required special attention to be paid on the assembly line.
Toby and Painter,

Thanks to you both all all for the help. I was just reading Chriscokid's list and found that mine is a 1941.
Interesting Painter that you mention green underneath as in looking around at mine is is green on the bottom rear(I have not cleaned it up to see more but found it interesting that you mentioned this). Although when it was painted highway again it had the decals added on over the top but anyone at anytime in the last 69 years may have done this but it is interesting to find that out. I was worried someone thought they should make it look JD or something more sinister ... LOL 😊
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