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Ianlr
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Once I adjust tracks how long should it be before having to do it again. It literally took me hours to adjust the tracks using a hand lever grease gun. I opened the relief valves and pumped grease but didn't see any air bubbles. I closed the valves and pumped to ever so slowly move the front idler forward. I then went pushing light scrub for about 3 hours and now the tracks are as loose as ever. Am I looking at having to pull the hydraulic cylinders out to replace seals or whatever? What are the adverse consequences of running with too loose tracks?
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Tue, Oct 6, 2015 3:57 PM
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That's a common problem when they get loose right away, the seals in the adjuster piston get bad and the grease gets past them. might have to replace the tube the piston is in if its pitted or rusted bad.
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Tue, Oct 6, 2015 7:18 PM
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That's a common problem when they get loose right away, the seals in the adjuster piston get bad and the grease gets past them. might have to replace the tube the piston is in if its pitted or rusted bad.
Gary
The track will come off much easier if it is really loose,more flexing is more ware to track as well.Need to fix it.
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Tue, Oct 6, 2015 7:53 PM
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The track will come off much easier if it is really loose,more flexing is more ware to track as well.Need to fix it.
Thanks guys. Looking at the spare parts book and service manuals doesn't seem to tell me how to remove and replace the hydraulic piston. Do I presume correctly that I will have to split the tracks, and move/remove the front idler to withdraw the piston? Are there any dangers associated with the compressed recoil spring?
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Wed, Oct 7, 2015 3:42 AM
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Reply to Ianlr:
Thanks guys. Looking at the spare parts book and service manuals doesn't seem to tell me how to remove and replace the hydraulic piston. Do I presume correctly that I will have to split the tracks, and move/remove the front idler to withdraw the piston? Are there any dangers associated with the compressed recoil spring?
Unbolt idler extension flange from the adj cylinder, force/pull idler forward and hold it there. Take channel locks and try to pull the piston out of the adj cylinder. If you get it out change the seals on the front then reinstall it. Bolt flange back to cyl taking care of the seal rings. Pump grease into adjuster and see if it holds. If not the track will need to be split and adj cyl replaced aswell.
Recoil will be safe if front pilot is held by the front anchors on the frame rails.
Later Bob
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Wed, Oct 7, 2015 3:53 AM
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Unbolt idler extension flange from the adj cylinder, force/pull idler forward and hold it there. Take channel locks and try to pull the piston out of the adj cylinder. If you get it out change the seals on the front then reinstall it. Bolt flange back to cyl taking care of the seal rings. Pump grease into adjuster and see if it holds. If not the track will need to be split and adj cyl replaced aswell.
Recoil will be safe if front pilot is held by the front anchors on the frame rails.
Later Bob
Thanks Bob. Job underway with the biggest hassle being removing the guarding over the track spring without taking the blade off but I got there. I ended up splitting the track, manually jacking the idler forward until I could get a spanner on the bolts at the cylinder end flange then unboltong the idler extension rod at the idler end and removing it. It was then easy to pull the big cylinder out and then pul the small piston inside it out. The bucket/seal on the small piston had crumbled hence the leak. The cylinder has a few rust patches on it but the bore inside the spring looks OK so I will just clean it up and replace all o rings and seals. More to follow.
Ian
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Wed, Oct 7, 2015 11:09 AM
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Thanks Bob. Job underway with the biggest hassle being removing the guarding over the track spring without taking the blade off but I got there. I ended up splitting the track, manually jacking the idler forward until I could get a spanner on the bolts at the cylinder end flange then unboltong the idler extension rod at the idler end and removing it. It was then easy to pull the big cylinder out and then pul the small piston inside it out. The bucket/seal on the small piston had crumbled hence the leak. The cylinder has a few rust patches on it but the bore inside the spring looks OK so I will just clean it up and replace all o rings and seals. More to follow.
Ian
Job done. Took me about 10 hours by myself and with minimal workshop equipment. Interesting experience getting tracks rejoined using chains, hydraulic jack and crowbar. I am sure there are a few tricks of the trade but I didn't ask because I was sure it would be too hard to describe in words. If any one knows of a YouTube video on this please advise. The whole exercise has given me the confidence to undertake other under carriage jobs in the future as I don't cost my time.
Ian
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Fri, Oct 9, 2015 8:11 AM
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if you have overhead lifting devices (front end loader, forklift, overhead hoist, gin poles, chain falls etc) you can choke the bushing on the end link on top of the idler with a nylon hoisting strap, then put the strap between the links on the other end of the track. put a crowbar through the links and make sure the nylon strap is under the crowbar. lift the end of the strap that is hanging out and it will pull the links together on the idler it almost self aligns as the idler holds them from being majorly out of line, and you can make any minor adjustments using an alignment bar. then it is held in place while you drive the pin in.

if this description isn't clear, I can draw and scan in a picture of what I'm trying to say.

this is one of the safest ways I have found for putting tracks together when you don't have additional people.

[attachment=31573]track joining.jpg[/attachment]
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Fri, Oct 9, 2015 11:16 AM
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if you have overhead lifting devices (front end loader, forklift, overhead hoist, gin poles, chain falls etc) you can choke the bushing on the end link on top of the idler with a nylon hoisting strap, then put the strap between the links on the other end of the track. put a crowbar through the links and make sure the nylon strap is under the crowbar. lift the end of the strap that is hanging out and it will pull the links together on the idler it almost self aligns as the idler holds them from being majorly out of line, and you can make any minor adjustments using an alignment bar. then it is held in place while you drive the pin in.

if this description isn't clear, I can draw and scan in a picture of what I'm trying to say.

this is one of the safest ways I have found for putting tracks together when you don't have additional people.

[attachment=31573]track joining.jpg[/attachment]
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Thanks. I think I understand and yes I do have a front end loader. Instead of using chains and D shackles on steel bars pushed through the links I should have thought to use a strap as you suggest.
Ian
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Fri, Oct 9, 2015 1:24 PM
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Thanks. I think I understand and yes I do have a front end loader. Instead of using chains and D shackles on steel bars pushed through the links I should have thought to use a strap as you suggest.
Ian
Tracks still tight after several hours pushing scrub so it looks like I did the job well enough. Since then I have blown another hydraulic hose this time one about 13 inches long that runs vertically in the steering clutch transmission hydraulics circuit. Lost nearly all the oil before I noticed the right steering clutch wasn't working and then saw the oil trailbehind me. This hose has a flange with a recessed o ring on the face and the whole thing is held against the face by a split ring bolted on. I have never seen a fitting like this but it appears to work well in very confined spaces. I am grateful that I am not a big fella because I had to be a contortionist to get a spanner on the bolts from both the top and after crawling underneath. This is the 2nd time I have blown a hose and lost all the transmission oil - good thing I got a free 200 litre drum of oil.
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